Copy and Paste? Taking what someone says as the gospel? Will not fool me with smoke and mirrors?Rabbithoundjb wrote:I agree TC and Tony but I think you are wasting your time talking facts and common sense to Dr. Chris and a few more of these folks.
Dr. Chris is an expert at copy and paste and taking what someone says as the gospel rather than examining their record and identifying it for what it is.
I think Dr. Robert Gates is an independent and not a republican.
The election part is over so time will tell what the future holds but Dr. Chris or anyone else will not fool me with smoke and mirrors. If Obama had a clue how to handle what he has gotten into he wouldn't be appointing most of Clintons people to tell him what they think he should do.
Here is some change for you. Bush to Clinton to Bush to Clinton.
I don't have a clue of what you are talking about and I really don't think you do either. And as far as his appointments? Everybody has worked for somebody, these two or three that you are talking about happened to work for Clinton, but if they are the best at what they do, I don't care who they worked for, Republican or Democrat. Time will tell, we will see.
Tony,
Look, I am not as far out in left field as you depict me to be. My moral values are as every bit as conservative as anybody on this board if not more. I just believe that we accomplish these goals of conservative values being placed in the every day lives of people, and actually being applied and achieved by totally different methods than you propose. You say that you try to vote for “conservatives”. I don’t. I have at times, but them being conservative it not what is on my mind when I cast my vote. I keep a person’s moral values for the most part, out of it when I am considering who I am voting “in” at a particular position. I focus on who I think will be best and who has the most to offer at that particular position. If I owned a football team and paid 20 million dollars a year for a great running back because he is the best at producing yards on the ground, that would be great. But if it was a quarterback that I was in need of and I bought that running back instead and placed him in the “quarterback” position, even though he may be a great running back, he does me no good and benefits me “0”, if I place him as my quarter back just because he is a good running back. His talent as a running back does me no good in the quarter back position. What good does it do to vote in a good moral person with great values if they do a horrible job in the position they receive. Much effort was and is given to appoint and collect votes for people that are conservative, moral people. If that same effort was put in making sure that people were appointed “where” moral people could actually make a difference in our lives: like teachers, pastors, church leaders, school counselors, coaches and above all, making sure “parents” are held accountable for being parents with morals and scruples. That’s where people with morals can make a difference. People will fight tooth and nail to vote for a conservative in the political arena, and degrade anybody that disagrees with them, and will dig in every area of their life and past to look for dirt, but do we do the same with who is teaching our children? Or counseling our children, or coaching our children, or giving spiritual direction and leadership to our families? And this is where it counts, this is where and how our future politicians and leadership comes from. Our failed morals in our leadership of today are because somebody dropped the ball in these areas years ago. You act like because I voted for Obama that I also back him in every area, that’s not true. Did you vote for McCain because he was a cheating husband on his first wife, and openly admitted that he cheated on her over 15 times and that he was repulsed of her because she was in an accident and became a “cripple” and he dumped her to get with a girl half his age, and because her daddy owned Budweiser and was rich, and her daddy had great political connections. So does this mean that you think its ok for anybody to cheat on their wives and treat them like garbage and trade them in when you feel a better opportunity comes along? I think not. You more than likely voted for McCain because you thought he was the best pick of the two running, and the areas that you may not approve of McCain in was ignored for the over all “big picture” of what you thought he had to offer. Goodness, morals, values and “people that do the right thing” comes from within and works its way out. It starts at home, school, church, local clubs, sports teams etc… and works its way out. You said yourself: “I believe that government isn’t the answer, its the problem...its intrusive, too big” but at the same time you want the Government to be conservative and to influence, restrict, force and discipline when certain moral and ethical issues are involved, and when other certain issues are involved you want the Government to stay completely out of it. You can’t have it both ways. People need to do the right things because they desire to, not because they are forced to. And you must know, when it comes to passing or killing certain issues and bills when it is submitted to congress, Democrats are going to Republicans and Republicans are going to Democrats and Dems. to Dems. and Rep. to Rep. etc… saying to each other, “if you will give me your vote here, I will give you my vote there”. You scratch my back, I will scratch yours. This has been going on for years and it will always be that way because that is politics, it’s a dirty world. Bottom line, if I thought that some of the things that were told about Obama were true, like some of you do, I would have not have voted for him either. But I don’t believe the rumours that are so easily proven to be false. And I believe that Obama will be good for this country “in the big picture” at least better than McCain would have been. But to make crazy statements about people and call them names and to degrade them because they don’t share your opinion or because they are not Republican, is just wrong. And to be so closed minded that “Republicans only” should be elected is just wrong. I have and would vote for Republicans that I thought were the best for the position. I do agree with Pike Ridge of the fact that a 3rd party would be good. The only problem would be money, media and a legitimate contender. Most of the time a third party candidate is used as propaganda to steal the votes from a certain party when it’s going to be a close race, like Perot’s 19%. Theodore Roosevelt made a great try and then of course Abraham Lincoln was the last to be elected as a third party canidate. It would be tough. It would take a huge {loved by the American people and media} name, huge money and the American people in the state of being totally disgusted with both other parties, and for all of these things to fall into place at the same time. But who knows, if I am absolutly wrong about Obama, in 4 years we could be in total shambles and out of the dust and mess a savior could rise up. But I can’t think of any names right now off the top of my head.