Those who wanted Obama and Change

[Rneil]

Another one of the boys:

Peter Singer

Peter Singer- Introduction
In 1993, ethicist Peter Singer shocked many Americans by suggesting that no newborn should be considered a person until 30 days after birth and that the attending physician should kill some disabled babies on the spot. Five years later, his appointment as Decamp Professor of Bio-Ethics at Princeton University ignited a firestorm of controversy, though his ideas about abortion and infanticide were hardly new. In 1979 he wrote, “Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons”; therefore, “the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee

Furthermore, on Page 301, he adds that it is sometimes morally right to disobey the law. The problem with this is that Singer's opponents can plausibly make the same claim. This actually happened, as he documents in his chapter "On Being Silenced in Germany." Predictably, but not coherently, Singer did not regard protests against his views on euthanasia as being justified for people who hold those views to be morally abhorrent

Peter Singer is an Australian and Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University. He is a talented writer and very knowledgeable. He has promoted the idea that newborn babies ought not to be considered human until they are about a month old. Until that time, their parents should have the right to terminate their lives. If the baby is in any way defective — or even if the infant is fine — the parents will have the power to get rid of it. Almost everyone, even staunch advocates of legalized abortion, is horrified by this proposal. Only a handful of people take it seriously. We can safely say that just about every responsible public figure or spokesman in this country would flatly reject Professor Singer’s idea. So why should we care what he says?

According to Singer, it is only our ability to be aware of ourselves and concerned for our own lives that makes us at all ‘special’. It follows, then, that if any other animal has such self-awareness, its life should be respected; it has a right to life. But conversely, any human being who lacks self awareness has no more right to life than a dog or a pig.

Only matter is objectively real. Morality is relative. Human dignity is relative. Because of this, babies, whether unborn or born, have no worth. Neither do the severely retarded, the seriously ill, or the dying.

Sounds like Hilter:

Singer is right that the "new eugenics" will be free-market driven as opposed to forced on the public by the government. But I ask, how does that make it better? Clearly, the choice to have the perfect child has already become a duty to have the perfect child. So instead of the government deciding what genes are good and which genes are bad, popular culture will dictate which children are the best to have. Frankly, I think that scares me even more.

[tommyg]

Another one of the boys:

Peter Singer

Peter Singer- Introduction
In 1993, ethicist Peter Singer shocked many Americans by suggesting that no newborn should be considered a person until 30 days after birth and that the attending physician should kill some disabled babies on the spot. Five years later, his appointment as Decamp Professor of Bio-Ethics at Princeton University ignited a firestorm of controversy, though his ideas about abortion and infanticide were hardly new. In 1979 he wrote, “Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons”; therefore, “the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee

Furthermore, on Page 301, he adds that it is sometimes morally right to disobey the law. The problem with this is that Singer's opponents can plausibly make the same claim. This actually happened, as he documents in his chapter "On Being Silenced in Germany." Predictably, but not coherently, Singer did not regard protests against his views on euthanasia as being justified for people who hold those views to be morally abhorrent

Peter Singer is an Australian and Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University. He is a talented writer and very knowledgeable. He has promoted the idea that newborn babies ought not to be considered human until they are about a month old. Until that time, their parents should have the right to terminate their lives. If the baby is in any way defective — or even if the infant is fine — the parents will have the power to get rid of it. Almost everyone, even staunch advocates of legalized abortion, is horrified by this proposal. Only a handful of people take it seriously. We can safely say that just about every responsible public figure or spokesman in this country would flatly reject Professor Singer’s idea. So why should we care what he says?

According to Singer, it is only our ability to be aware of ourselves and concerned for our own lives that makes us at all ‘special’. It follows, then, that if any other animal has such self-awareness, its life should be respected; it has a right to life. But conversely, any human being who lacks self awareness has no more right to life than a dog or a pig.

Only matter is objectively real. Morality is relative. Human dignity is relative. Because of this, babies, whether unborn or born, have no worth. Neither do the severely retarded, the seriously ill, or the dying.

Sounds like Hilter:

Singer is right that the "new eugenics" will be free-market driven as opposed to forced on the public by the government. But I ask, how does that make it better? Clearly, the choice to have the perfect child has already become a duty to have the perfect child. So instead of the government deciding what genes are good and which genes are bad, popular culture will dictate which children are the best to have. Frankly, I think that scares me even more.

A TRUE LIBERAL ANIMAL.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

SO YOU ARE SAYING,THAT BECAUSE PRESIDENT ,OBAMA, KNEW'' SOME ONE WHO DECIDED TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ,THAT HE OBAMA,IS SOME HOW, IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM AND THEIR OPINIONS, THAT IS MUCH LIKE BUSH KNOWING OSAMA BIN LADEN,, ALL THOSE YEARS IN THE OIL FIELDS WHEN BUSH WAS GETTING MONEY, FROM HIM TO DRILL, WITH,THEN SAY HE WAS IN ON THE 911 PLAN---ASUME --TO TRY AND CREATE THE IMMAGE THAT OBAMA IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE OPINIONS OF THIS GUY,JUSY BECAUSE HE KNEW HIM,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE NEW REPUBLICAN WAY OF THINKING,,THEY NO NOT,, CARE NOT,THEY PAY NOT,,ONLY WANT--EVERY THING,,,,,,,,,,,MUCH LIKE HITLER-EXCEPT, HITLER WAS SMARTER ,,HE STARTED A WAR TO DO IT, GET RID OF ANYONE WHO DON'T AREE WITH (REPUBLICANS) LOOK LIKE REPUBLICANS.THEIR AGENDA SEEMS TO BE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION AND BASED BY THE OPINIONS ON THIS BOARD IS ALREADY THERE,,,

[tommyg]

SO YOU ARE SAYING,THAT BECAUSE PRESIDENT ,OBAMA, KNEW'' SOME ONE WHO DECIDED TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ,THAT HE OBAMA,IS SOME HOW, IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM AND THEIR OPINIONS, THAT IS MUCH LIKE BUSH KNOWING OSAMA BIN LADEN,, ALL THOSE YEARS IN THE OIL FIELDS WHEN BUSH WAS GETTING MONEY, FROM HIM TO DRILL, WITH,THEN SAY HE WAS IN ON THE 911 PLAN---ASUME --TO TRY AND CREATE THE IMMAGE THAT OBAMA IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE OPINIONS OF THIS GUY,JUSY BECAUSE HE KNEW HIM,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE NEW REPUBLICAN WAY OF THINKING,,THEY NO NOT,, CARE NOT,THEY PAY NOT,,ONLY WANT--EVERY THING,,,,,,,,,,,MUCH LIKE HITLER-EXCEPT, HITLER WAS SMARTER ,,HE STARTED A WAR TO DO IT, GET RID OF ANYONE WHO DON'T AREE WITH (REPUBLICANS) LOOK LIKE REPUBLICANS.THEIR AGENDA SEEMS TO BE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION AND BASED BY THE OPINIONS ON THIS BOARD IS ALREADY THERE,,,

Bush kept your sorry butt safe,just Like a Liberal ungreatful and arrogant.

[barnold1]

[Rneil]

Pine Mt

SO YOU ARE SAYING,THAT BECAUSE PRESIDENT ,OBAMA, KNEW'' SOME ONE WHO DECIDED TO VOICE THEIR OPINION ,THAT HE OBAMA,IS SOME HOW, IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM

No, read the post, do some research, Obama appointed this man, his friend from law school:

Sunstein's nomination to the powerful new position will require Senate approval. He is almost certain to face other questions about his well-documented controversial views

[Newt]

Pine Mountain, do you realize that when Obama was a State Senator in Illinois tht he voted against a bill making it a requirement to help babies that were aborted but were still alive and viable.
There have been several of those babies that were dumped in a trash receptacle still breathing and crying that were rescued by caring hospital personnel. There was a lady on TV during the campaign who was one of the lucky ones that some nurse rescued from the trash.
What is this country coming to when we have more sympathy for murderers and child abusers than we have for babies.

Do you know that under Obama's Health Nighmare that as soon as you turn age 65 and become ill, there wil be a board of beaurecrats who will determine if your value to society is worth the cost of the surgery or other medical procedure. That should clean out the Nursing homes and Va Homes in a few years. Would you like folks/friends of Obama such as the Professors mentioned in this thread making that decision. Don't say it won't happen.
The Bible says there is nothing new under the sun. Man is just as cruel and uncaring today as he was during the rein of the Nazi's and the Romans. They just need the opportunity/power to carry out their twisted ideas. The Liberals by ignoring or twisting the constitution are siezing that opportunity.

God have mercy and bless our Grand Children.

[Rneil]

Obama's Friends - The Truth Hurts

The friends that a person associate with say lots about there judgment. Here are a few of Mr. Obama’s friends Khalid Abdullah Tarlqa al-Mansour: - one of Obama's main political contributors - a friend of Barack Obama (He got Obama into Harvard Law School in 1988) - Outspoken hater of the United States, Israel and white people in general - Radical racist Tony Rezko - one of Obama's main political contributors - Concealed a $3.5 million dollars loaned him from Nadhmi Auchi (wired from Lebanon) - Sold the Obama's there home for $300,000 below market value - Linked to the Nation of Islam (Louis Farrakhan) - a friend of Nadhmi Auchi, William Ayers & Khalid Abdullah Tarlqa al-Mansour Nadhmi Auchi - An Iraqi billionaire - A member of the Baath party in Iraq (the same party as Saddam Hussein) - A friend of Tony Rezko - Loaned Tony Rezko $3.5 million dollars 2 - 3 weeks before he sold Obama his home - a friend of Tony Rezko Rev. Jeremiah Wright - Pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ - Major supporter of Obama - Obama's pastor since the 1980's (Obama said he did not listen to his sermons, then why go to church) - Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope" was inspired by Rev. Wright's sermons - Honored to the Nation of Islam (Louis Farrakhan) - Appointed to Obama's Religious Leadership Committee - Hater of the United States, Israel and white people in general - Radical racist Saul Alinsky - The founder of the Gamaliel Foundation that Obama worked for as a community organizer. (The Gamaliel Foundation is a radical socialist organization) author of the books “Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals" in 1972 & "Reveille for Radicals" in 1946. - He is a radical socialist William Ayers - one of Obama's main political contributors - known terrorist (convicted) - Obama announced at Ayers home that he was running for president - Ayers told a reporter from The New York Times in 2001 "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would do it all again as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility." - Admirers and has visited Hugo Chavez (Venezuela President) - a friend of Khalid Abdullah Tarlqa al-Mansour & Tony Rezko - Hater of the United States & Israel - He is a radical socialist Rshid Khlidi - spokesman for the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) in the 1980's (they are a terrorist group) - He served as president of the American Committee on Jerusalem, now known as the American Task Force on Palestine - He has justified Palestinian terrorist attacks - Hater of Israel Louis Farrakhan - Called Obama the next coming of the Messiah Frank Marshall Davis - a member of the Communist Party USA - Obama states that Frank Marshall Davis was decisive influence on his life in Obama's book "Dreams from My Father" - Hater of the United States and our freedoms ACORN - creator of Project Vote (under investigation for voter fraud) - endorsed Obama - major part of the mortgage crisis we have today These are just a few very close friends of Obama. It just seems a little odd that most of Obama's friends and assoc. hate the United State's or they are radical. Let me use myself as an example: If most of my friends were child molesters. Would you allow me to watch your children or grand-children? I do have a few other things. If Obama was to apply for a job with the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) or the Secret Service. They would have to disclose everything about them including all college records, transcripts, thesis'; as well as full discloser of all assets. This is not an option if you want to work for the United States. Why will Obama not do this? What is he hiding?
The friends that a person associate with say lots about there judgment.

Here are a few of Mr. Obama’s friends

Khalid Abdullah Tarlqa al-Mansour: - one of Obama's main political contributors - a friend of Barack Obama (He got Obama into Harvard Law School in 1988) - Outspoken hater of the United States, Israel and white people in general - Radical racist

Tony Rezko - one of Obama's main political contributors - Concealed a $3.5 million dollars loaned him from Nadhmi Auchi (wired from Lebanon) - Sold the Obama's there home for $300,000 below market value - Linked to the Nation of Islam (Louis Farrakhan) - a friend of Nadhmi Auchi, William Ayers & Khalid Abdullah Tarlqa al-Mansour

Nadhmi Auchi - An Iraqi billionaire - A member of the Baath party in Iraq (the same party as Saddam Hussein) - A friend of Tony Rezko - Loaned Tony Rezko $3.5 million dollars 2 - 3 weeks before he sold Obama his home - a friend of Tony Rezko

Rev. Jeremiah Wright - Pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ - Major supporter of Obama - Obama's pastor since the 1980's (Obama said he did not listen to his sermons, then why go to church) - Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope" was inspired by Rev. Wright's sermons - Honored to the Nation of Islam (Louis Farrakhan) - Appointed to Obama's Religious Leadership Committee - Hater of the United States, Israel and white people in general - Radical racist

Saul Alinsky - The founder of the Gamaliel Foundation that Obama worked for as a community organizer. (The Gamaliel Foundation is a radical socialist organization) author of the books “Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals" in 1972 & "Reveille for Radicals" in 1946.
- He is a radical socialist

William Ayers - one of Obama's main political contributors - known terrorist (convicted) - Obama announced at Ayers home that he was running for president - Ayers told a reporter from The New York Times in 2001 "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would do it all again as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility." - Admirers and has visited Hugo Chavez (Venezuela President) - a friend of Khalid Abdullah Tarlqa al-Mansour & Tony Rezko - Hater of the United States & Israel - He is a radical socialist

Rshid Khlidi - spokesman for the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) in the 1980's (they are a terrorist group) - He served as president of the American Committee on Jerusalem, now known as the American Task Force on Palestine - He has justified Palestinian terrorist attacks - Hater of Israel

Louis Farrakhan - Called Obama the next coming of the Messiah

Frank Marshall Davis - a member of the Communist Party USA - Obama states that Frank Marshall Davis was decisive influence on his life in Obama's book "Dreams from My Father" - Hater of the United States and our freedoms

ACORN - creator of Project Vote (under investigation for voter fraud) - endorsed Obama - major part of the mortgage crisis we have today

These are just a few very close friends of Obama. It just seems a little odd that most of Obama's friends and assoc. hate the United State's or they are radical.

Let me use myself as an example: If most of my friends were child molesters. Would you allow me to watch your children or grand-children?

I do have a few other things.

If Obama was to apply for a job with the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation), the CIA (Central Intelligence Agency) or the Secret Service. They would have to disclose everything about them including all college records, transcripts, thesis'; as well as full discloser of all assets. This is not an option if you want to work for the United States.

Why will Obama not do this?

What is he hiding?