Those who wanted Obama and Change

[Rneil]

Here is information on two of Obama's friends. Is this the change you wanted. Killing babies up to two years old if they don't fit? The rabbits you hunt have more rights than a 1 month old baby?

"One point on which I agree with opponents of abortion is that, from the point of view of ethics rather than the law, there is no sharp distinction between the fetus and the newborn baby," Singer explained.
However, Singer's view is that, instead of legal protection, both disabled babies and the unborn deserve death.
As he wrote in Rethinking Life and Death, "Human babies are not born self-aware or capable of grasping their lives over time. They are not persons. Hence their lives would seem to be no more worthy of protection that the life of a fetus."
Peter Singer, the Princeton professor, wrote in his ethics textbook, "The life of a fetus is of no greater value than the life of a nonhuman animal at a similar level of rationality, self-consciousness, awareness, capacity to feel, etc."1 He also says, "Since no fetus is a person, no fetus has the same claim to life as a person." (Parents paying for their children to attend Singer's classes might want to consider that he also believes there's moral justification for killing the elderly.)
Singer and others have proposed that children should not be declared alive until some time after their birth. That way, if the parents decide to dispose of them, they wouldn't have to face legal consequences.

Sunstein's nomination to the powerful new position will require Senate approval. He is almost certain to face other questions about his well-documented controversial views:
• In a 2007 speech at Harvard he called for banning hunting in the U.S.
• In his book "Radicals in Robes
," he wrote: "[A]lmost all gun control legislation is constitutionally fine. And if the Court is right, then fundamentalism does not justify the view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms."
• In his 2004 book, "Animal Rights," he wrote: "Animals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives …"
• In "Animal Rights: A Very Short Primer," he wrote "[T]here should be extensive regulation of the use of animals in entertainment, in scientific experiments, and in agriculture."

[Pine Mt Beagles]

YOU ARE ONE SICK TWISTED INDIVIDUAL,,TRYING TO CONNECT PRESIDENT OBAMA TO THIS IS ABSOLUTE,,B.S.,,,NOW YOU COULD BE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO RAISE THESE CHILDREN TO USE AS CANNON FODDER, IN ONE OF THEIR FUTURE WARS,,BUT I DON'T THINK SO, I THINK THE WHOLE THING IS FOOLISH,----------YOUR JUST SICK AND IN NEED OF HELP,,,,,,,,,

[Moore Beagles]

I personally know two young ones who were born between 6-7 months of thier mothers pregnancy. They are healthy beautiful children. I have seen videos and pictures of 12 week old BABIES sucking thier thumbs. How someone can dehumanize a baby and label it a fetus is thier own personal attempt to try to ignore what thier heart and mind already tells them. Abortion is Murder and Babies are murdered everday and we now have a president that tells everyone that he cares about people, but he is going out of his way to ensure the slaughter of the innocent babies. He doesn't care about people he only cares about power and control, and getting reelected by the same "I'll believe what ever you say" Hoodwinked misguided Sheep that got him elected this time.
To anyone who ever briefly researched his Voting record, this should not be of any surprise, but to those Who believe everything they see on CNN (Clinton News Network) or CBS (Celebrated BAMA Station) or ABC (ALL BAMA Channel) & NBC
(National BAMA Channel) and last but not Least FOX (For OBAMA Xtremisists). If you actually buy half of the Obama propagana put out by these Networks you won't even realize that there is a problem with Abortion until you find out after the fact that your daughter or granddaughter already had abortion and now needs your permission to see a Shrink, but didn't need your consent to get an Abortion!
99% of all women who get an abortion regret and agonize over it the rest of thier lives. Including the alias Mrs ROE!
Norma Leah McCorvey (Nelson born September 22, 1947, in Simmesport, Louisiana), better known by the legal pseudonym "Jane Roe", was the plaintiff in the landmark American lawsuit Roe v. Wade in 1973.[1] The U.S. Supreme Court overturned individual states' laws against abortion by ruling them unconstitutional. Years later she recanted her support of abortion rights! She was wrong and she admits it, why can't the people who voted for Obama admit it

[Pine Mt Beagles]

MOORES BEAGLES----abortion is Murder and Babies are murdered everday and we now have a president that tells everyone that he cares about people, but he is going out of his way to ensure the slaughter of the innocent babies. He doesn't care about people he only cares about power and control, and getting reelected by the same "I'll believe what ever you say" Hoodwinked misguided Sheep that got him elected this time.

NOT THE TRUTH AT ALL I KNOW YOU MEAN WELL,BUT YOUR STSTEMENT IS WRONG,,OF COURSE SINCE ABORTION JUST STARTED 6 MONTHS AGO,,,IT'S HARD TO TELL BUSH HAD SIX YEARS AND THE REPUBLICANS DID NOTHING ABOUT ABORTION,,,ABORTION IS A REPUBLICAN PROBLEM NOW ,ACAN'T BLAME THE DEMOCRATS,BECAUSE BUSH DID NOT FIX IT............SORRY.

[Rneil]

I did not try to connect Obama to this. This is a quote from the wall street journal. This is the man Obama chose for this position. This is from the Wall Street Journal, Obama's choice. Again, friends from school!

YOU ARE ONE SICK TWISTED INDIVIDUAL,,TRYING TO CONNECT PRESIDENT OBAMA TO THIS IS ABSOLUTE,,B.S

Mr. Sunstein, a friend of President-elect Barack Obama from their faculty days at the University of Chicago law school, will mark a sharp departure for the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. Although obscure, the post wields outsize power. It oversees regulations throughout the government, from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

So how is this bullshit? I am just presenting facts about the people he surrounds himself with. You are the misguided one who over looks the facts, Obama connected himself to these people.

[Rabbithoundjb]

This is only a surprise to misguided people clinging to the Obama teat.

[Moore Beagles]

Rneil you didn't connect the two I did! Because they are connected, Obama will continue to assort his bunch of Weirdos in Washington that still think milk & apples come from the grocery store. Lets see where we are going, lets fund and encourage abortions, and tax the farmer & the working class till he quits. Then lets disarm all of the Law abiding citizens so only the criminals have guns. Then everybody will have to look for the Goverment Swill for help, and we will have a nice Socialist machine called the Obamanation I wonder what Joe Plumber would say now?
How much does Unenjoyment pay?

[tommyg]

Fact:Obama is a proponet of Abortion in all forms.
Fact:The Health Care Reform Bill will fund Government paid Abortions.
Fact:The Democruds are the ones who back Abortion.
Fact:Bush slowed down the baby killers all he could and Obama unleashed them when he took office.
Fact:The only way to stop Abortion is in the courts or by electing Conservatives.
Now Rufus you can say all the BS you want to try to blame Bush and make Obama you're chosen one look innocent but FACT is he is guilty. When is this Obama made mess going to be his in the eyes of his blind def followers like you. You can only Blame Bush so long.

[Rneil]

Pine Mt Beagles; This is no way an attack, I was just displaying information. I see you take some grief for what you believe in.

Now that you know that Obama appointed one of these guys and is friends with both does this information make you stop and think? Can you see this is the wrong change?

[barnold1]

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

I can assure you Rufus is not a troll. He just happens to have a different point of view politically than many on this part of the forum.
Although I consider myself conservative and do not support Obama, Rufus is entitled to his point of view, as does anyone. The only thing that will not be tolerated are threats.

[Rneil]

Barack Obama’s pick for “regulatory czar,” Harvard Law School Professor Cass Sunstein

• Don’t believe us? Sunstein has made no secret of his devotion to the cause of establishing legal “rights” for livestock, wildlife, and pets.

• Not exactly the kind of thing American ranchers, restaurateurs, hunters, and biomedical researchers (to say nothing of ordinary consumers) would like to hear from their next “regulatory czar

• “[A]nimals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives, to prevent violations of current law … Any animals that are entitled to bring suit would be represented by (human) counsel, who would owe guardian like obligations and make decisions, subject to those obligations, on their clients’ behalf.”

• We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn’t a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It’s time now.”

• He concluded his Harvard speech by expressing his “more ambitious animating concern” that the current treatment of livestock and other animals should be considered “a form of unconscionable barbarity not the same as, but in many ways morally akin to, slavery and mass extermination of human beings

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Barack Obama’s pick for “regulatory czar,” Harvard Law School Professor Cass Sunstein

• He concluded his Harvard speech by expressing his “more ambitious animating concern” that the current treatment of livestock and other animals should be considered “a form of unconscionable barbarity not the same as, but in many ways morally akin to, slavery and mass extermination of human beings

Gee was his name on the list first?

[Rneil]

For example, in a 1999 Chicago Tribune op-ed titled "Why We Should Celebrate Paying Taxes," Sunstein in effect scolds readers like small-minded, selfish children for opposing the size, scope, expansion and skyrocketing expense of government:

In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours'? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts?" Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without support from bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live? ... Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public fisc. ... There is no liberty without dependency. That is why we should celebrate tax day ..."

Nov. 7, 2007 | Freedom of choice is not always good for democracy. This observation is at the heart of University of Chicago law professor Cass Sunstein's book "Republic.com 2.0" (an update of "Republic.com" in 2001),
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The reason Mr Professor spouts this hog wash it not because he really believes taxes should be willingly and high, but because that is where his bread and butter comes from. He gets paid through STATE taxes not just tuition and IL in one of the highest state property tax states there is. It is shameful how high their property taxes are. Most people in IL pay 1/2 of their mortgage payment a month is property taxes when they escrow. That state should be ashamed.