WHO ARE THE REAL CONSERVATIVES

[Pine Mt Beagles]

THIS IS A LITTLE LESS KNOW PART OF HISTORY==THE REPUBLICAN'S SEEM TO FORGET===THEY USED TO CLAIM THEY WERE CONSERVATIVE.=????????
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Republican, Democrats, National Debt, and Fiscal Responsibility
Posted on September 4, 2008 by- Megan

I was born in Texas and raised in Oklahoma in a very conservative, Republican household. I was raised believing that Republicans are for small government and low taxes. I was raised to believe that only the Republicans shared my Christian values and they had the safety of our country well in hand. Democrats, by contrast, wanted the government to fix everything, wanted to raise everyone’s taxes, were pro-abortion, and would do nothing to protect our country.


As I got older, I began to question whether the Republican Party has lived up to what it professes. I believe in all the things they profess: I believe in having strong national security, I believe in the sanctity of life, I believe in fiscal responsibility. But what I’ve found in my research is that the Republicans don’t put these values into practice.


I’m writing articles, based on the research I’ve done, that dispel the myths of Republicans. This article focuses on the economic myths: Republicans are fiscally responsible, Republicans believe in less government spending, and Republicans are better for the economy. My references appear at the end of the article.


First, some definitions. Political economists often talk about the national debt and the federal deficit. These two terms mean different things. The national debt refers to the accumulation of all the money the US government has borrowed over all the years that we’re still paying back. By contrast, the federal deficit refers to how much money the US government is spending over and above its budget in a single year. So the deficit reverts to zero at the beginning of each fiscal year whereas the national debt does not.


Now let’s take a look at the facts. We’ll start with national debt and raw numbers. In 2000, when Bill Clinton left office, the national debt was $5.7 trillion. Today, after seven years of George W. Bush, it is $9.6 trillion. Bush has almost doubled our national debt in eight short years.

But let’s go further back and take a look at the average increases in national debt by president. It is most useful to look at the national debt as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP). GDP is the total market value of all final goods and services produced within the country in a given period of time (usually a calendar year). Since 1945, there have been seven presidential terms held by Democrats and nine held by Republicans. During every term held by a Democratic president since this time, that president has reduced the national debt as a percentage of GDP. The Roosevelt/Truman administration made the greatest dent with a 24.3% reduction. By contrast, only three terms held by a Republican president since 1945 showed a reduction in the national debt as a percentage of GDP. Further, Eisenhower made the most significant reduction for Republicans at a 10.8% decline between 1953 and 1957. This is less than half the decline made by the Democrats Roosevelt/Truman. Even further, every single Republican president since 1973 (beginning with Nixon/Ford) has increased the national debt as a percentage of GDP. Let’s summarize: Since 1946, Democratic presidents increased the national debt an average of only 3.2% per year. The Republican presidents increased the national debt by an average of 9.7% per year. Republican presidents= out-borrowed= and out-=spent= Democratic presidents by a three-to-one ratio.= Putting that in very real terms, for every dollar a Democratic president has raised the national debt in the past 59 years, Republican presidents have raised the debt by $2.99.


Further, in the same period, Democrats increased the national debt by 4.2% whereas the Republicans increased it by 36.4%.

It is true that the Republicans held 4 terms during this time while Democrats only held 3. However, looking at each president since 1978, we see that Reagan increased the national debt by a whopping ((89.2%)) during his two terms. You read that right Looking further at federal spending, we find that between 1978 and 2005, Democrats increased federal spending by 9.9% while Republicans increased federal spending by 12.1%.

Reagan nearly doubled the national debt in 8 years.

Now, you might say, “Well, but productivity increased more during that spending.” Using GDP as a measure of productivity (which is standard procedure), you’d be dead wrong. During the years 1978 – 2005, the Democrats increased the GDP by 12.6% while the Republicans only increased it by 10.7%. The president responsible for the largest increase in GDP, or the productivity of our country, during this time was Bill Clinton, a Democrat, who increased the GDP by 28.4% during his eight years in office.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

[bluemouse]

This cat must have wrote this before obama wrote his first check. Pine nut why do you post this crap, it does not make any difference in Washington whether its dems or rep they all love spending our money, the problem still remains the same can they spend it to better our country are continue with pork and waste.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

by bluemouse on Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:21 am

This cat must have wrote this before obama wrote his first check. Pine nut why do you post this crap, it does not make any difference in Washington whether its dems or rep they all love spending our money, the problem still remains the same can they spend it to better our country are continue with pork and waste.
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=I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE PORK PROJECT'S =WE HAVE ONE LOCALLY,, THE BRIDGE TO NO-WHERE =AND EVERY ONE KNOW'S THE GOVERNMENT WASTE'S MONEY.
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=THE POINT OF THE POST IS SIMPLE ,REPUBLICAN'S ARE NOT =CONSERVATIVES=THEY JUST USE THAT TO CAMPAIGN ON=SAME AS GUN CONTROL,AND ABORTION ETC.======AND AT THIS TIME IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE THE REPUBLICANS ARE DESERTER'S YET CLAIM TO HAVE THE PEOPLE'S INTEREST AT HEART I KNOW THAT= ALL=POLITICIANS LIE -JUST A FACT BUT THE REPUBLICAN HIPPOCRACY IS DISGRACEFUL=BEYOND BELIEF=AND WHAT IS SAD IS SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IT======

[bluemouse]

pinenut can you do better than the same ole blaa blaa rep crap, you are a broker record sir, nothing but the same ole crap day after day. sorta like the movie groundhog day. Think about it when you get off your knee worshiping ole bo.

[Newt]

Rufus, with your response, are you indicating that you are a conservative and it's the republicans liberals and not the conservatives that you hold in contmpt?

[Pine Mt Beagles]

NO -I'AM SIMPLY SAYING THE REPUBLICAN'S ARE NOT WHAT -THEY- SAY THEY ARE=YOU GUY'S KEEP IGNORING MY POST'S FOR WHAT THEY ARE, I , THE ONLY REASON I, POST, WHAT THE REPUBLICAN'S, ARE DOING= IS THAT THEY ARE CONTINUALLY LYING,AND HAVE BEEN ON A MISSION TO STOP AMERICA, FROM MAKING FORWARD PROGRESS FOR OVER A YEAR.IF YOU SEE A REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN, ON TELEVISION, JUST WATCH THEM LIE, IT'S BEEN PROVEN OVER AND OVER,AND I DON'T THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB EITHER,THEY SHOULD, HAVE IGNORED THE REPUBLICAN'S AND PASSED THE BILL'S ,BY-PARTISIAN SHIP IS JUST A MYTH REPUBLICAN'S DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. THEY BELIEVE IF THEY DIDN'T WIN THE ELECTION,IT IS NOT VALID ==THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND SENATE- AT THIS TIME IS A TRAGEDY- A VERY BAD BLOW TO THE PARTY.AND THE COUNTRY.
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[Pine Mt Beagles]

by bluemouse on Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:30 am

pinenut can you do better than the same ole blaa blaa rep crap, you are a broker record sir, nothing but the same ole crap day after day. sorta like the movie groundhog day. Think about it when you get off your knee worshiping ole bo.
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=HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT =SINCE YOU STILL HAVE YOUR HEAD UP =KING GEORGE'S= BUTT=

[tommyg]

Its sure not you Rufus.I would say The Tea Party holds the Conservatives you know the ones Big Sis calls dangerous and domestic terrorists.The ones Obama say are disrupting his Socialist agenda.Yea its those PATRIOTS.

[tommyg]

NO -I'AM SIMPLY SAYING THE REPUBLICAN'S ARE NOT WHAT -THEY- SAY THEY ARE=YOU GUY'S KEEP IGNORING MY POST'S FOR WHAT THEY ARE, I , THE ONLY REASON I, POST, WHAT THE REPUBLICAN'S, ARE DOING= IS THAT THEY ARE CONTINUALLY LYING,AND HAVE BEEN ON A MISSION TO STOP AMERICA, FROM MAKING FORWARD PROGRESS FOR OVER A YEAR.IF YOU SEE A REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN, ON TELEVISION, JUST WATCH THEM LIE, IT'S BEEN PROVEN OVER AND OVER,AND I DON'T THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB EITHER,THEY SHOULD, HAVE IGNORED THE REPUBLICAN'S AND PASSED THE BILL'S ,BY-PARTISIAN SHIP IS JUST A MYTH REPUBLICAN'S DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. THEY BELIEVE IF THEY DIDN'T WIN THE ELECTION,IT IS NOT VALID ==THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND SENATE- AT THIS TIME IS A TRAGEDY- A VERY BAD BLOW TO THE PARTY.AND THE COUNTRY.
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[Chief Long Hair]

I was just like Megan. I lived in Indiana most of my life and they're very solidly Republican. They barely voted for this President by smallest of margins. The last time they voted for a Democrat for President was 1964. I also came from a family that was strongly Republican. I, same as Megan, was all Republican and was convinced that Democrats were evil. I'm now like Pine Mt Beagles, an Independent.

I'd say Megan pretty much nailed it. I felt it but didn't see the numbers. Pretty scary I'd say.

If I remember, Obama got voted in because of the conservative Republicans. Thank God they're not the norm out there. People were tried of the Republican party and saw right through John McCain, he was more of the same. In a way now, I wish he was President so he would look like the village idiot instead of Obama. We probably would've been worse off though. It was also too bad we didn't have a good third choice, he or she would have quite possibly been in.

I still say, get rid of them all and start over, maybe with no parties involved. No there's a thought.

It's also not a broken record. I haven't heard of it. But bluemouse, it looks like you are...................You said it twice!!!!!

Now there's a laugh for the audience!!!!!

Da Chief

[bluemouse]

well at least you were smart enough to get it chief, chief, chief

[Pine Mt Beagles]

by tommyg on Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:46 am

Its sure not you Rufus.I would say The Tea Party holds the Conservatives you know the ones Big Sis calls dangerous and domestic terrorists.The ones Obama say are disrupting his Socialist agenda.Yea its those PATRIOTS.
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=I'AM A LITTLE SURPRISED YOU AND OTHER'S HAVE NOT SEEN THROUGH, THE PATRIOT BUNCH YET=THEY ARE SO TRANSPERENT,THEY ARE ALL ABOUT GETTING YOUR MONEY PERIOD. NOT A PATRIOT, IN THE BUNCH.THEY ARE MADE UP OF, VERY RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN'S, NOT CONSERVATIVES,THEY HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH MOST AMERICAN'S.THEY PROMOTE ANTI-GOVERNMENT AND HATE ALONG WITH RACISM.SIMPLY, BECAUSE, THAT IS THE HOT TOPIC OVER THE LAST YEAR,AND THEY KNOW IT,,JUST A MONEY =SCAM=THEY CHANGE EVERY DAY, AND FOLLOW THE FLAVOR OF THE MONTH,LOOK HOW FAST THEY DITCHED, PALIN ,LOOK HOW FAST BROWN DITCHED THEM=JUS AFTER THE MONEY=
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=TEA PARTY- AT= IT=
=Question everything your government is doing," she tells a crowd of about 100 from the bus's stage in the parking lot of the Winners casino in Winnemucca, Nevada.

Under a setting sun on the steps of the state capitol in Little Rock, Arkansas, Johns says: "Our men and women took an oath when they put on the uniform to defend and protect this country from enemies both foreign and domestic. I think we've got some domestic enemies in the White House."

On a sunny afternoon in Louisville, Kentucky, Johns works the crowd of about 2,000 into a frenzy.

"The men and women in our military didn't fight and die for this country for a communist in the White House," she says, and the crowd erupts in a chant of "U-S-A, U-S-A!"

[tommyg]

Rufus your hate will swell up and choke you if you don't let it go.Yes and I'm surprised you havn't seen thru Obama yet,he is easy to see thru.Racism-Anti-Government Liberal words!!! Let the Democruds ram health care thru that will be their end for several years to come.The wrighting is on the wall Rufus reap it.

[Moore Beagles]

OBAMAMtn
My guess is you think B.O. is conservative, when he puts a failing Auto Manufacturing Corp under Goverment control, and then the Goverment takes an active role in running the company and telling them who they can and cannot merge with. Then tell them Which Non union plants to shutdown.
Then continues to try to Ram thru a Healthcare Bill that very few Taxpaying americans want to mtry to gain control over 1/5 of the job market, and make it subject to the goverment hammer.
Then His latest trick, lets try to knock down the Top Auto corperation Toyota by slanderous madeup lies because they are non union, and have been really kicking our New goverment controled Auto company rearend for so long, maybe we can bring them down to our level.
he best Part is he's able to do all this with taxpayers money without them being able to stop him, they can only throw a Tea party in protest. Afterall the Media probably won't come to a Tea Party, but they could come to the 300 man march!
Man that sures sounds like Conservatives to me? Then again you probably think Hitler and Stalin were conservatives too!

Once again OBAMAMtn WRONG again! Less Goverment control = consevative More Goverment control = Communism = current DemonCrats

Obama Mtn you probably don't remember the public service announcement that said this is your brain on DRUGS! Sizzle Sizzle I didn't think you did?