NEW DIVISION FOR OVER 15 INCH BEAGLES

[CGS KENNEL SHAWN]

I have been following all the posts and have been reluctant to make any comments until now. I think for the clubs and the people to be heard the addition of a over 15 inch class would be a good idea. The reason is that it does give a dog that goes over the current rule of 15 inches a place to be run. Why not let the clubs have the option to just like we use too on whether to run Lp hunts or PP hunts from your club with a over and under class. That way all the members can be heard and have a class to be able to run all thier dogs in. Say a club votes to run 4 under hunts and 4 over hunts the clubs are not out any money for extra awards or should not have a problem getting the hunt completed in one day. I do however agree with several on following rules and measuring all the dogs prior to the hunt no matter what class over or under. This takes the intemidation factor out of having to call someone out at the stakes and worring about not getting a fair judge for the hunt. I do also think that by doing this it does give people more say on the club level and the divisions will go as far as the people want them to go. I would like to see NKC take a bigger stand on enforcing the rules for discipline for all judges and handler of any class of hounds that are run. I not looking to start fight or go back and forth with people over my comments just stating my thoughts. I have been able to get along with most everybody that i have ever run with at a trial or hunted with just my thoughts.

[raccoon crk kennel]

I have been following all the posts and have been reluctant to make any comments until now. I think for the clubs and the people to be heard the addition of a over 15 inch class would be a good idea. The reason is that it does give a dog that goes over the current rule of 15 inches a place to be run. Why not let the clubs have the option to just like we use too on whether to run Lp hunts or PP hunts from your club with a over and under class. That way all the members can be heard and have a class to be able to run all thier dogs in. Say a club votes to run 4 under hunts and 4 over hunts the clubs are not out any money for extra awards or should not have a problem getting the hunt completed in one day. I do however agree with several on following rules and measuring all the dogs prior to the hunt no matter what class over or under. This takes the intemidation factor out of having to call someone out at the stakes and worring about not getting a fair judge for the hunt. I do also think that by doing this it does give people more say on the club level and the divisions will go as far as the people want them to go. I would like to see NKC take a bigger stand on enforcing the rules for discipline for all judges and handler of any class of hounds that are run. I not looking to start fight or go back and forth with people over my comments just stating my thoughts. I have been able to get along with most everybody that i have ever run with at a trial or hunted with just my thoughts.

i agree for the most part,i think if they tighten up on the current rules it should be the responcabillity of the judges and or breed inspecter to contest the size before each cast if theres a quistion. cause if you have a dog measured and its the judges buddy then you can bet you bottom dollar you will get screwed in your cast!

[CGS KENNEL SHAWN]

I not talking about getting screwed by anybody and that is not what my post was about it was about dividing the classes and having the people be heard in a manner I thought was positive. I not on here to be negative about anything or anybody it just makes sense to me to give the clubs the option on over or under hunts but still measure the dogs and follow the rules. That would show where the dogs are being run and what class brings in the biggest draw of hounds to the hunts. This way no body gets to cry about the size of a hound and the competion should be even better. I would like to here from others that want to find answers instead of bitching about what some body else is doing with a big or a little dog or how money NKC is trying to make. If they don't make money where do you plan run?

[jlcopeland]

Beagle=Look Em Up!!!!
A miniature Foxhound, solid and big for his inches, A merry Little hound with the wear-and-tear look of the hound that can last in the chase and follow his quarry to the death.
They are also favored for their compact size
the diminutive size of the hound.
Description
The Beagle is an easy-to-care for dog, as it is a small and sturdy hound
Since these dogs are uniform in size and quite small,
The word "Beagle" is derived from the French word "beguele" meaning "open throat". The French or Welsh term "beag" means small,
Funny in EVERY DESCRIPTION Of the BEAGLE I have never seen the Word LARGE.
now the ENGLISH Standard is 16" but this Aint ENGLAND it is the USA and the AMERICAN standard is 15" and they are BEAGLE FIELD TRIALS
ya Want em Over GET a HARRIER!!!!

take a look at your nkc papers right under the crossed guns looks like it says harrier beagle to me or maybe you missed that when you were looking up all your facts about beagles

[TC]

TOTALLY DIFFERENT BREED there Guy
ARHA Breed Standards for the Beagle-Harrier

General Appearance:
A tireless and enthusiastic worker/hunter.

Size:
Height from 18 – 20 inches; and weight 44 – 55 lbs.

Color:
Tri-color

Temperament:
Sound and fairly easy to train.

They have their OWN trials For Beagle-Harrier Also
So I guess you Could Enter your oversize beagle in their Division Wonder how that would go over?
because a BEAGLE is NOT a Beagle-Harrier
ARHA ALSO has its OWN division For Basset Hounds With their OWN standards also!! bet ya Dont See a lot of Beagles entered in their Trials Either.

[raccoon crk kennel]

that still doesnt answer the question as to why there cant be a 15in to 18 in class, you said 18 to 20.

[kjohn2hunt]

All this is, is a bunch of crap. There are still going to be over 15 inch dogs in trails period. Example, if I am the master of hounds and my buddy is the breed inspector and he lets a dog thru and it is protested at the stageing area, do think I am going to measure that dog out and have my buddy mad at me for him losing his licesne. So lets get real!!!!!!!

[jlcopeland]

Beagle=Look Em Up!!!!
A miniature Foxhound, solid and big for his inches, A merry Little hound with the wear-and-tear look of the hound that can last in the chase and follow his quarry to the death.
They are also favored for their compact size
the diminutive size of the hound.
Description
The Beagle is an easy-to-care for dog, as it is a small and sturdy hound
Since these dogs are uniform in size and quite small,
The word "Beagle" is derived from the French word "beguele" meaning "open throat". The French or Welsh term "beag" means small,
Funny in EVERY DESCRIPTION Of the BEAGLE I have never seen the Word LARGE.
now the ENGLISH Standard is 16" but this Aint ENGLAND it is the USA and the AMERICAN standard is 15" and they are BEAGLE FIELD TRIALS
ya Want em Over GET a HARRIER!!!!

you mean this is not england darn i need to get my gps fixed

[cpuckett]

i agree with kjohn2hunt this is a bunch of crap,nothin we say is gonna matter anyway NKCis gonna do what they want anyway,i try not to run anything over 15 inches but if i do get a good dog that i like really well that turns out to grow over 15 then i don't plan to get rid of him just because he did,and with the way fuel prices are going i don't plan on runnin my gas out and spending money on entry fees just to try to win a trophy anyways.i would rather take 5 or 6 of my dogs out and run them for 5 or 6 hours.

[dawg182]

kjohn is right, NKC needs to have more big pack clubs, but you guys have also got to start coming to some of the big pack hunts to help motivate NKC. If anyone out there is interested in starting a Big Pack Club in their area, feel free to contact me and i will answer all the questions i can, and refer you to whosoever can answer the others

[dawg182]

'big dogs' in big pack cannot be over 16 or they will measure out there. if they are over 16, then they need to be deer dogs...

[dawg182]

you guys should take your dogs over 15 inches and run them in big pack, if they do good you can sell them if you don't like the format.