AKC measuring at Jessamine Co.

[danny vansickle]

. As for measuring you can have ten different people measure one dog and get ten different measurements.

amen brain,mel stewart said the same thing a year ago,man,i guess a year changes a lot huh?

i guess his one measurement overides the measurement of all judges,like i told him yesterday,i guess you guys are just writing the rules as you go...........


i hope they let us know when they are done changing them to make every whiner that gets there arse handed to them happy

[maplehill]

Was squatting his natural stance since he was young, or has he been messed with to make him squat? Just asking. IMHO, measuring a dog while it is squatting and using that as a correct measurement is just plum stupid. Hell, I'm 5' 7" tall, but when I'm sheetin I'm only about 3'.

[danny vansickle]

do you realize how lil an inch is,i can take any 13 in true 13 in male,stack it up and get it over 14................

like i said,you have a personall invitation to measure him

[old blood beagles]

Danny, I have never came across this board or anywhere else about being an expert on AKC fieldtrials. What I have done is follow the AKC trials learning what the rules are and meeting some great guys/gals that compete. I have nothing against you or your dog and I have stated that, but what I do know for a fact is that your dog was treated by the AKC reps equal to the other dogs that were measured and your dog measured 14 1/4 inch. What I do know is that you yourself stated that he measured over 13 several times when you ran him in the 15 inch class. Nobody done this to you, you desided to run an over sized dog in the wrong class.
Don't make this issue about you or your dog, it is bigger than both of you. It is a problem in the AKC trials and some good honest people are trying their best to resolve this problem.

[Ron Conroe]

i will tell you something danny, when bandit was in the pen saturday at the trial and you was not their, their was four guys took him out and measured him and not one of them got him under 14", so i wouldn't let to many people measure him. the akc reps are doing the right thing and its making alot of people mad, that is the ones that are doing wrong. you know i had a buddy tell me today, that he spends alot of money going to these trials and all he expects is a fair shake, and now he will have a little better chance. i think if akc keeps it up you will see the classes getting bigger.

[hurryup]

Hell, I'm 5' 7" tall, but when I'm sheetin I'm only about 3'.

Now that was funny....

[tandd]

I'd hate to be the dog at my house that goes over 15" now.

[wvduece]

HOW IS A 1 1/4 GOING TO GIVE THOSE GUYS A FAIR SHAKE

[RIDDLERUN]

OK YOU AKC BOYS DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ANYMORE ABOUT LITTLE PACK!!!!!! AND THATS ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT!!!!!!

[Aaron Bartlett]

OK YOU AKC BOYS DON'T HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ANYMORE ABOUT LITTLE PACK!!!!!! AND THATS ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT!!!!!!

Little Pack has the same issues(plus a few others). The only difference is AKC is trying to do something about it and NKC is not.

[TC]

Well We will just have to Wait and See
From ARHA
August 12, 2008

To All ARHA Beagle Clubs:

4. Once again our rules plainly state that a beagle over 15 inches will be disqualified. STOP running dogs over 15 inches! You are not improving the breed or the organization by running dogs over the height limit. If you are caught running dogs over 15 inches are titles and points will be pulled.

need to make a clarification on #4 about the running of dogs over 15 inches.If you are caught running a dog 3 times at 3 different clubs and the dog is measured out then all titles and points will be removed. The rule is not being changed;any hound measured and found to be oversized 3 different times by 3 different breed inspectors, in the lifetime of the dog,shall be banned from all future competition. Sorry for any confusion this has caused.

I have had many Discussions with Members of ARHA and a LOT of em are gonna be present at the hunts or A rep Will be..
just have to Wait and See..I for one will not let another dog pass that I feel is over 15"
I as an AKC/UKC judge Will not Measure a hound that will not Stand!!!! as it states in the rules all Dogs must Stand For measure Squatting is NOT standing......

[danny vansickle]

i will tell you something danny, when bandit was in the pen saturday at the trial and you was not their, their was four guys took him out and measured him and not one of them got him under 14", so i wouldn't let to many people measure him. the akc reps are doing the right thing and its making alot of people mad, that is the ones that are doing wrong. you know i had a buddy tell me today, that he spends alot of money going to these trials and all he expects is a fair shake, and now he will have a little better chance. i think if akc keeps it up you will see the classes getting bigger.

i would like to know who it was that mest with my dog without my permission,i would never touch another mans dog like that..............

that is just somethin ya dont do.........

but the thing is,if i was tryin to hide somethin,i would have never left him there,and i ask this question again........

am i the only guy that ran a questionable dog?

his size didnt bring this on as much as the fact was he was winning and no one can stand to loose,there wasnt a word said last fall when he was placing 3rd 4th and nbq was there?

if he wasnt targetted then why did this thread go three pages without me sayin a word and no one ever mentioned the other dogs that measured out or the ones still runnin in all the classes that are over?

[CPC]

Danny, when you ran little pack you said you didn't mind big hounds running in the lp 15 and under format, now you are upset you have to run in your class in AKC. I don't get it, but I am glad AKC is starting to uphold the rules. I hope other formats will follow and I also think they will have increase numbers at hunts due to they are more honest people than dishonest and everyone will be on a level playing field.

[old blood beagles]

Danny look at page 1. You are the person that brought up yourself and Bandit. You dont see other guys getting on here and saying that they were targetted but it happened to them also.
The big question is will you run Bandit in the 15 inch class against 16 1/2 inch dogs or will you say something?

[danny vansickle]

i just thought of something that needs to be addressed............


ok,there was 4 dogs stripped of thier 13 in cards yesterday,now,they will be issued a 15 in card,so,if,and this is a big if,if akc does like they said they would,what will happen to the 15 in dogs that are measured out?by making our dogs official 15,this takes away our right to run 13 in and take a chance at the stake,but,if they strip the big dogs of thier 15 in cards,will they be banned from running perion,or will they still be able to run and hope for the best at the stakes?

i mean,if they are goin to make it impossible for us to run 13 in class perminately,why should the big dogs still have the chance to run?i dont think it would be fair to ban them perminately,cause you measure any dog before runnin it wiol usually measure bigger then after like for the winners pack..........

the only way to be fair to all the dogs is to strip the old cards,but dont issue a new one for the next class,that still leaves it open for guys with 13 1/2 dogs to get a 15 in card by the old method,that way they dont have to worry about measuring under..........