Size Poll

Chris Shoopman · Post by **Chris Shoopman** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:13 pm

SilverZuk,
what size of dog do you and and why?.....my self i run 15 and 13 both, my 13in can run with my 15in and get there part

SilverZuk · Post by **SilverZuk** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:25 pm

I have a male that is 14 3/4" and two females that are 13"

The male is fast on a big running rabbit.
If the brush is tight or the rabbit is cutting and diving, he has no advantage over the other two because it takes speed out of the equation.

One female is heavy framed and about a 4 or 5 on speed.
If you have big running, it hurts her. All she is doing is running with her head up trying to catch up.

The other female is small framed and quick, she doesn't have the "wheels" to run wide open with the male for a 20 minutes chase.

Spruce Ridge Beagler · Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:56 pm

Silverzuk, you seem to be quite vocal on all these 15" threads. Are you the guy that called out a hound in the second round at the world hunt that eventually ended up in all hounds in the cast being measured and Randy Brown banned ? Just let it go and go run your dogs!

Pine MT Beagle Runner · Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:54 pm

I don't think size matters that much, sure, I could see the difference of running a 13" or smaller against a 16" hound. But I have a little Pine Mt. bitch that matches my step-dad's 16 1/2" hound step for step. She is only 14 1/2 to 3/4". She has been running with him since she was nine months old. Even then, there wasn't a lot of speed diffenece. Sure at first he would just plain leave he in a dust trail. But didn't take her long to figure out, full throttle was the key. She began getting the checks infront of him at 10 months. At this time she was still under 13". And like stated earlier the speed advantage is taken away in running the thick stuff. If you really think about it a smaller hound should have an advantage on a bigger dog in briars and honeysuckle vines.

Guys hunt whatever size you like, but trial according to the rules.jmo....

Chris Chandler

BBOARDING3 · Post by **BBOARDING3** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:22 pm

Pine MT Beagle Runner wrote: Guys hunt whatever size you like, but trial according to the rules.jmo....
Chris Chandler

well said!!!!!

rabbithunter110 · Post by **rabbithunter110** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:06 am

I think we should leave the 15" standard.

SilverZuk · Post by **SilverZuk** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:41 am

Spruce Ridge Beagler wrote:Silverzuk, you seem to be quite vocal on all these 15" threads. Are you the guy that called out a hound in the second round at the world hunt that eventually ended up in all hounds in the cast being measured and Randy Brown banned ? Just let it go and go run your dogs!

I have no problem with size, feed and run what you want.
As far as a trial goes, rules are printed clearly.
It is up to the handlers at the casting stake to speak up about the size of hounds. That is the only "policing" for the height.
Just because you wouldn't call one out, don't expect that others won't apply the rules.

Yes, I called a dog out in the cast you are talking about.
It was obviously over 15".
If I remember correctly it measured 16.5"
Randy Brown asked for all of them be measured.
One other dog measured over 15".
Randy was banned for a cussing protest filed against him.
I felt bad that the dog he was handling was scratched because the cussing protest.

Spruce Ridge Beagler · Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:22 am

Ok, it's always nice to put a face with the names on here. Yes, rules are rules and I don't have a problem with people calling out dogs either. I do however find it amusing when people call out dogs,( eliminate the competition, JMHO ) and still don't win the cast.

SilverZuk · Post by **SilverZuk** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:35 am

That is the way it goes.
When we hopped out of the truck the judge said, "I can't believe they sent us here. We ran a cast in here yesterday and had no rabbits. Guys, there are no rabbits in here."

He was right.
The cast went on hunting and handling, the judges brought back the right dog, though none were hunting hard.
The winning dog got scratched because the handler was protested for cussing.
I felt bad for the owner of the hound that Randy was handling.

Was that you and your wife in the protest meeting?

Spruce Ridge Beagler · Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:21 pm

No, we were spectators and were not at all involved in the protest.

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:22 pm

Ability comes in all shape and sizes and it cant be measured with a stand. Give me on that does it like I like it can be 6" or 20" I dont care.

Pine Mt Beagles · Post by **Pine Mt Beagles** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:02 pm

AT THE -K.Y.-STATE I SAW 12 INCH AND 17 INCH HOUNDS BUT THE ONLY SIZE THAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS THE SIZE OF THE HOUNDS --HEART--IF MOST OF THE OWNERS WAS HALF AS GOOD AS THEIR HOUNDS IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING-HOWEVER I STILL CANNOT SEE WHY THAT A RULE WRITTEN BY NKC REGISTERY SHOULD BE IN FORCED BY THE HANDLERS THE BREED INSPECTOR OR ANOTHER OFFICIAL SHOULD HANDLE THAT---------JMO

KEEP'EM RUNING
PINE MT BEAGLES

Mapel Valley Kennels LLC. · Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:06 am

My thoughts "Good ol big-uns, Big ol good uns. Lets roll "Let the fat rabbit have it". Run What ya brung.........Aint Skeered.

hounddog · Post by **hounddog** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:12 am

I'm with you Jimbo........ Bring your walker hounds or your pocket beagles. At all the trials I have been to, size does not matter. I have been beat by 12 in. beagles more than I have by 15 1/2 beagles. Just enjoy what you got.

hounddog
Jim Umbarger

CPC · Post by **CPC** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:42 pm

Don't worry about the rules? Is this what you are saying?

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