Ive heard three people on here say AKC are the real FC dogs.

[Joeyman]

i'm dissapointed that thunder didn't claim that check like he was suppose to. if he had shot off up the road I would of been more proud of him..Oh well. he's only a little over a year old. Born Oct 16 09 I think he needs a good dose of solo time and age. Who knows. Lately I've been coming to the conclusion that its extremely hard to get your hands on a very good dog.

Speaking to a few different folks at the trials. Sounds like alot of the people put hours on top of hours on their hounds everyday. Thats hard for someone like me to do that. I only get to run on the weekends.

The trials are mainly just for fun for me. Sure I'd like to win, who doesn't, but its not always going to happen. Going to give it another go this weekend. Going to be nice weather too.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Its hard to finish in any format but Midwest is pretty tuff to finish one,Coming back to little pack or at least a few of my mutts are, I think that Lp is probaly the best place for a young male.

[weaver240000]

I Judge LP and Love that style of dog. I have been at a few AKC trials and it was not for me. Not because their was some powerhounds thier that i couldnt beat." personally IMO I hads the onle dog that could run the rabbit and after I was picked up.The pack never could ran another rabbit. After, I asked the judge what was wrong with my dog, because I was new at it and didnt really no. He said " son you have a nice dog, But you still need to pay some dues." What ever that means aint for me. Been running LP and love it. But as long as your a houndsman and running dogs and enjoying it. who cares what format your in.

[Greg Wells]

If a judge told you that, he needs to be reported to AKC. I'll bet it wasn't a judge from the Mid-West Asociation. That's the problem when you say "AKC" it could mean several different styles of dogs & different associations. The Mid-West Association runs under the AKC SPO format & run a fast dog, but to place or win a dog has to have a lot of line control as well. I've never heard a judge say something like that in the 20 years I've been trialing in the Mid-West''s version of AKC.

[Aaron Bartlett]

I agree with Greg! If that was the only reason the judge gave I would of had him wrote up.

[Bryan]

Weaver,
You should of kicked him in the nuts when he told you that. Some of the PA AKC trials do run a more conservative dog than AKC midwest.

[thelegend23]

i think any good hounds can run in any formats, ran in some akc trials,ukc , cut my teeth in nkc little pack and always will be around lp you do run into buddy judging friends judging there buddies dogs. not to high on ukc a dog that can finish at 9 or 10 months old could never do that akc midwest or little pack jmo. matt spencer

[T LEE]

AKC trials are more conservative in North Carolina also. Top speed is a judges fast walk.

[bunnybuster24]

I have to step in for my Format. NKC When is the last time anyone tried to Grand a dog? Maybe it is just the clubs I run in but I wish you guys would show me how is it is. I will be honest I am not talking just to Champion one but make him a grand. I do not beleive you guys have tried it in this Decade. JMO Maybe it is my dogs. We have a hunt this weekend come on out since everyone thanks it is so easy. A good dog is a good dog in any format. You may get lucky and draw dogs you can beat in the open class it happens we have all seen it. But you do not get luck in the Champion class 5 times. Not unless it is 5 years later. Lets face it who wants to take five years to finsh a dog. I am not i will look something else. Again JMHO

A GOOD DOG IS GOOD DOG and A GOOD DOG IS HARD TO BEAT IN ANY FORMAT

If AKC SPO was not Brace in NC I would run it. But if you had to walk with these slow dogs down here you would see why I LOVE NKC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lee,
You and I see eye to eye once again. I think the majority of dogs that win in Little Pack can win in AKC. Yes, there are different styles that different judges like to see but overall this is my opinion. Lee has owned a few Field Champions and has Championed them out in Little Pack. I have three Field Champions now that finished in the AKC Midwest and all but one of them is also titled in ARHA and the one that isnt will be in the North Carolina State Little Pack hunt this weekend. Sure some of the dogs ran in Little Pack are shiteaters but any hunt you go to you are liable to see one that isnt worth toting feed to.

[danny vansickle]

ok,here is my two cents.....

i know of three dogs get wins in the opens at my local lil pack club and never bark.now,that is when i was at the hunt,how many more lp champs have gotten their win in the opens by hunt and handling?and as for the grand champion title in lil pack,yeah,that impresses me,but even that is easy to accomplish if your in the right area,i know of areas in ky and ohio that have 5,6 or more clubs within an hour or two of each other.think about it,a dog gets 40 points for a win at a trial with 15 opens,thats a big chunk out of the way and the owner was home in time to watch the noon news report,lol.few more tirals and places your a champion.then you can hit the small clubs that only have 4 or 5 champs each week and get your 5 wins in no time and your a grand,way to go

thare are a lot of grands out there that walked the easy path,but then on the other side you got some grands that win two or three big fives to get their lpgrch title,so the way i see it is it depends on the dog if i am impressed,thats why when someone tells me they have a grand i always ask,where did your dog get its wins,then i decide if i akm impressed or not.

but when a someone says i have a fc,i am impressed right away cause i dont know of an y fc dogs that had it easy,cause in akc,there is no hunt and handling,you run rabbits and you do it all day,not an hour here and an hour there,you run at least 5 to 6 hours if not more on the average.and you have to win 3 hunts,not one,and have a total of 120 pts to finish,and if you win a 15 dog hunt in akc,you only get 15 points,not 40.so,i feal it is harder to make a fc then a lprch for shure,but maqkin a dog a grand is sometimes as hard but it depends on the road traveled i guess,cause some dogs get the easy road and some dont.

as for ukc,never been to a trial so i cant really say................




jmho

[Lee Cockman]

Did you guys read what I said. I can make a Champion with a little luck out of a house cat. But let me see all you guys make him a GRAND in my neck of the woods easy. It is very hard. I am not talking buddy judging and all that. I mean actually win by running rabbits. We have game down our way and it is thick. All I am saying it is hard. I do not carry junk not saying mine are any better than anyone's dog but. It is hard to make a Grand. You guys come and try it in my neck of the woods. Come and run AKC and I will bet you want stay down 30 min down here. They run BRACE. The dog can not leave the pack in anyway form or fashion. If the other dogs can only walk the lead dog has to walk as well. I am not saying every dog that grands can make a AKC midwest FC. But I will bet anything that all AKC midwest FC will not all Grand. Again JMHO

[weaver240000]

It was my first trail I ever went to and it was 7 years ago . It was a SPO hunt. I m not here to throw mud at any club. That was just my personal expeirance at one. I run LP but all my dogs are AKC registered.. And Just for the amount of wins you need in AKC makes it harder. I wish LP would adopt that rule too.. Because you can get lucky and champion a dog. then have to earn your grand title. It just seems like all these dogs are getting bunched up as champions. And you could enjoy your dog as a open some more. Anybody that runs beagles is ok in my book any format.

[Ohiohntr]

It was my first trail I ever went to and it was 7 years ago . It was a SPO hunt. I m not here to throw mud at any club. That was just my personal expeirance at one. I run LP but all my dogs are AKC registered.. And Just for the amount of wins you need in AKC makes it harder. I wish LP would adopt that rule too.. Because you can get lucky and champion a dog. then have to earn your grand title. It just seems like all these dogs are getting bunched up as champions. And you could enjoy your dog as a open some more. Anybody that runs beagles is ok in my book any format.

Weaver, I can give a little insite to what you are talking about. Drove 7hrs to an AKC SPO club in a neighboring state (yours ) and entered 7 dogs...there was 21 dogs total entered in the class. Before the dogs were rolled out a member of their club came over and told us "you boys are going to learn something today". I laughed of course assuming we were going to show them how a MW hound runs. Well, 3 packs of 7 hounds and we only ran ONE...yes ONE....rabbit out of a total of 3 packs in a pen, yes a friggin pen. We went back to the clubhouse to roll out 2nd series....14 dogs....0 were our dogs....ALL 7 GOT THE HOOK. Yea, I learned something alright....I learned I would never go back to that CLUB...it wasn't AKC or the formats fault...it was the members of the club and the hired judges. I urge if you run ANY registration or format to run a handful before making an informed decision. I think I have been at it 6 or 7 years and have never felt like I did that day....it was a terrible excuse of a poorly run club and making outsiders feel like, well outsiders. In fact they even leashed one of our hounds to the fence, without us knowing, because she was trying to hark to the pen which had rabbits in it...amazing that they put the smaller class in that pen. And yes...I wanted to kick them in the nuts

[Ron Conroe]

ohiohntr, what club was that, i want to make sure i don't go there.

[weaver240000]

I think AKC midwest would be fun. From what I here bout. Just dont have no close hunts around my area. And I kinda got hooked when I went to my first little pack event and it had around 50 dogs and i made the final round. He was winning till he took a deer Like I said I was pretty green at the time. That would never happen to my dogs now " I HOPE" But after that I was hooked. I judge alot of LP events. But I would like to learn how to jugde an AKC midwest trial. I feel I now dogs and it would be fun to judge something different.