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[Brooksidebeagler]

mowhawk madman. You may not have meant any offense to the host club but I for one take offense to your comments. I don't know who you are but that doesn't matter. Do you have any idea how much work goes into making a club hunt happen let alone a Big 5 hunt? You have no idea how many hours the Hughes & I spent on the phone or on the road getting stuff together for this hunt just so people can come & have a good time. I hope you are always as right as you must think you are since you "Don't apoligize".

[MGB]

Lp doesn't deal with their rotten apples,instead they attack the people that expose them.

[Brooksidebeagler]

So MGB who got attacked? How can you call what was said in madmans post exposing a bad apple he has no proof to show it is his oppion ONLY. The only person he exposed as a bad apple is himself.

[hareball]

Apparently proof means very little when two of three handlers in a three dog cast hear the exact same thing from a judge and it is simply disregarded for the word of the one handler who the situation benefited. My question for all you handlers is this: If what a judge has said in a cast is at question because it concerns a rule violation, should the final outcome be based on what the majority of handlers heard the judge say? I am not hear to drag anybody's name through the mud; I just want honest opinions. I want my dog to always be given a FAIR shot and if he gets beat by a better dog that day then so be it, but if he is beaten due to a bad call by a judge and a non willingness to own up to a mistake then I am not going to simply be content.

[mowhawk madman]

I am not wanting to down the judges or the club . I know you guys did one hell of a job. I have been beat many time and sure I will again. But when I get beat I want to know it was because it was a better dog than mine. I am a judge myself and I apreciate all that do. As far as I am concerned there is a diffrence in a judge and a punk with a judges card who is there to party and get paid. All I realy meant to say. I was a little out of line earlyer and I do appologise for it. There is no room for what happened on the cast I was on. Next time it may be you. Since I am still a newbie still,how do you handle a chemicly altered judge? I drink n party a bit myself. After the hunt not during. So if during is acceptable behavior just let me know so I can bring a cooler of beer to the next one. Hell I can judge all day then.

[tizeKennels]

I know for fact that there is a ton of pressure on the clubs and members to host a Big Hunt, alot of prior preparation is involved. I think everyone who trials appreciates the effort that goes into preparing for these hunts. I think what Mohawk Madman is most disappointed with, is the a individual/judge that was apparently high, while judging a cast. I've personally seen that happen numerous times while at some of these hunts. There's a time and a place for everything, however when your put in a position to do a job (Judge), thats not the time or the place to conduct yourself in an unprofessional manner. The people that support these hunts speed alot of money and time to make it to these hunts, they expect that they will be given a fair shake at the trial, win or lose. But they expect that this decision be made by someone responsible enough to judge sober.

Im sure overall this was a great hunt, dont want to over shadow the good with the bad. Congrats to all the winners and all that placed.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Apparently proof means very little when two of three handlers in a three dog cast hear the exact same thing from a judge and it is simply disregarded for the word of the one handler who the situation benefited. My question for all you handlers is this: If what a judge has said in a cast is at question because it concerns a rule violation, should the final outcome be based on what the majority of handlers heard the judge say? I am not hear to drag anybody's name through the mud; I just want honest opinions. I want my dog to always be given a FAIR shot and if he gets beat by a better dog that day then so be it, but if he is beaten due to a bad call by a judge and a non willingness to own up to a mistake then I am not going to simply be content.

Well Put .

[tinymwoods]

Congrats to all that won and placed. It is not easy to do so at a big hunt. The competition is always tough and it takes a good dog to place and a better one to win.

Now speaking on madman. I have hunted with him many times and have judged his hounds. He has also judged my dog. He doesn't whine when he doesn't win. Even if a judge tries and misses a call, he takes it in stride. I wasn't there and didn't see what happened but before we attack another beagler, let's see what he means. What I got from this is there was a judge that should not have been judging due to being impaired. He made a bad call(s) and changed the outcome of a cast, and possibly the hunt. I have seen this happen. There is no room in any hunt for a judge to be impaired, judging is hard enough as it is. Maybe he should have protested while he was there instead of putting it on here after the fact, but I understand. As a "newbie" you don't want to raise a stink, but after you sit around and think about it more and more you are close to imploding and have to say something. I think as clubs we appreciate all that judge. Sometimes though we don't have the best judges in the world to help, so we make do with what we have. I am slow, fat, out of shape, with a bad knee but I do try and always judge fair. If we have a fat man judging, we send someone smaller and quicker with him (Crabby is now small and quick in case yall didn't notice lol). If we have a young kid judging, make sure someone with experience goes out with him. We all just want a fair shake, and a smoked up kid can't give that to us. There is a difference in a bad call, and a bad judge. JMO

[Brooksidebeagler]

I agree that no one should be judge while they are impaired but why was this not reported to the Master of Hounds? Not a single person came to me or Adam & said that this or any judge is impaired. Also when the protest was going on One handler said the judge said handle one handler said that the judge said bring them up & one handler said he is not sure what was said, so where does that leave the master of hounds he is not out on the cast so 99.999999999999% of the time the call will go with the judge. We have all been in casts that things did not go our way, we all lose more than we win. What I don't like is the fact that nothing was said to the Master of Hounds about any impairment of a judge at the hunt now it is being posted on the internet.

[toldyouso]

Give me a impaired judge a fat judge a bad judge over a judge that just plain cheats anyday of the week. I have seen judges at the world who r protested evry year and they continue to let them judge. Why because its more important to the organization to just get it done instead oif getting it done right. Dont get me wrong i agree if this was the situation wrong all day and i can understand why it is not brought forward because no on can do or will do anything about it. The watch dog committee has no power if you do not believe this ask them they will tell you i speak the truth but no one listens they think i just blow smoke. Thats not the case and has never been the case i only call it like it is. Wake up what you should had done is went straight to fred and ron told them and make them take care of it. They being Ron made a comment that when they are gone the organization will fall apart. I believe its falling apart because of this state of mind of are faithful leaders. And if you want to have a say go to PKC not perfect but your opininion still counts and it does not in this organization anymore. Ask people like chip jermemy paul brian if they have the balls to addmit it. I have heard it as well as others they just wont stand up to the ones that r pulling the trigger and running r sport into the ground. Thats how it is and it wont change until those two indivauls either bring back the way it use to be or step aside. Everything can be fix and no one person is above The American Rabbit Hound Association because that is us Not just one person.

[hurryup]

Congrats to everyone who won or placed.. Look Brad and I guided round after round some times we handled dogs sometimes just to help the club. If anyone was mad because they got in to tall of cover sorry. We did the best we could to get everyone in rabbits, it seemed to me it was better to run a lot than run nothing and see the dogs the whole time. Some would be mad then cause they weren't in rabbits. Yes we got shot at, yes we had a few exciting minutes but overall we ran rabbits and kept taking casts to ground that had not been run.
Ivan and Adam and all the club members worked their tails off and we were glad to pitch in and help them. Seems to me they were organized got the dogs out quick with no issues. We don't usually run little pack but overall had a pretty good time.
Brad was on the cast where there was a question on handling dogs. My thought is no dogs should be scored until they were all together. I don't know the rules well so not for me to say. I think mayb some hard feelings to start with since one dog was measured out before the cast. But hey thats part of trialing some days you win and some days you loose.
Shoot we got one qualified to go to the World hunt..lol..we r going.

[hareball]

Brookside Beagler, I want to call you out on your words. In my opinion and my opinion alone, you are a liar or you have been told a lie about what happened! I was in the cast and there was two handlers saying the boy said "handle the dogs". I was one of them and I know exactly what the boy said!!! You can take that to the bank sir!!! The other handler was simply handling for another man and he did say that he didn't know what was going on after we were told to handle! I even asked the master of hounds in that protest was he going to take the word of one handler over two and he said since he had two handlers saying one thing and a handler and a judge saying something else that he was going with his judge. That is why I asked the question in my earlier post about if the judges words are at question when it concerns a rule violation, should it not be left to what a majority of the handlers heard! By the way, the other handler also was not an experienced Little Pack man as he runs in another organization. I don't think he started out with a good example here!!! As for the rest of the hunt, I had a great time and saw no problems. I got beat in my other casts and went on my way truly beaten, nothing else to it. But the cast at question was handled absolutely wrong!!! I do want you to clear one other thing up for me that I am still unsure of, even besides the question of what the judge said. I was told that he was going to judge a dog that was his, but not yet transferred into his name. Was this the case? I did see that he was the one handling the dog at the casting area with judging collars in hand so I was wanting to know what that situation entailed.

[a-dog]

Picking each other apart like kids wont help. There are many times i don't agree 100% with final score but if it that close and I lose by a check or stike that means my dog desreved to lose he wasn't good enough. For an example sat ran against dennis kennedy dog first round that placed 2nd in opens one dog show every body in the whole cast knew who the winner was I Lost.period.! SHUD UP !! AND GET THEM READY FOR NEXT HUNT AND TRY AGAIN see ya at the state hunt good luck

[Bradh]

Ok not that it matters now since the cast is over but here's how it went. Dogs were cast the judge walks down into a thick over grown swamp we hear him yelling to bring the dogs up to him we walk down in to him dog A and B are with us we get to the judge and notice dog C is not there the judge asks the handler of dog C do we want to handle dogs he says no so we walk a little more he asks again still says no 3rd time he says I think I heard him bark this way so we start walking towards the direction he says his dog is 10 mins later at the end of the swamp the judge says lets handle dogs dog A and B are real close dog C's handler says I think I hear him running so we all stand still so he can verify it is his dog. Then the judge and handler C take off through the swamp in the opposite direction of where we have been walking for 10 mins dog A and B are caught the handler of dog A yells twice at the judge as he is running away judge what do you want us to do with no reply. We start walking out to get back with them to find out what we are doing when we get to them the judge is scoring dog C in a soybean field next to a highway on property were not supposed to be on so we yell out to the judge and tell him we can't be in that field and are we supposed to turn in or what he continues to score the dog C so we turn our dogs lose for 2 mins and time is out.

I am not 100% on how arha works in situations like this I was only there to help out and guide cast. At the beginning of the cast there was a dog measured out that did not have a handler the judge was holding it on a lead strap outside of that I don't know the judge or if it was his dog but he was the only one there with it when it measured out.

I think the host club did a great job can't judge a whole hunt by one cast you aint getting rid of me that easy brookside LOL I'll see you guys in November.

[Rowco Beagle Kennels]

Congratulaions to those who won and placed. Good to see Mike had a large time. Bobby