greensburg field trail

[Kenny VanHoose]

Agreed. It's up to handlers to know the rules too! That would be like a coach trying to coach the team and not know the rules of the game. That being said I went to this hunt yesterday and had a very good time and didn't do very well in the field, but I did not see any rules broken or dishonest judging. It was the first time I had ever been there.

Quit crying, its as much your fault as it was the judges, all you had to do was not sign the scorecard. Don't get on here and cry about it and try to make a club look bad.

[Wilson Creek Cody]

Now here is the problem I see. You have a beginner come to a club for the first time. Doesn't know the rules, and admits this is his first trial. Where is the support he should have had from the gallery or the other handlers when this mistake was made. Surely all the others are veterans and KNEW the rules and could have stepped in and had it discussed before this young man signed the score card. You know, one of those take a beginner under your wing and help him out sort of thing.

i do agree with you. but the thing is that this was a rule change last year. as far as i know nobody that was in the cast knew for sure what the rule really was. i know the others that was on the cast. they both are extremely nice guys and one of them was one that got me started in field trialing. i believe very strongly that if they would have known they would have said something.

[kjohn2hunt]

I don't think anybody needs to bash the club. This trail was called in my sight as straight as any I have attended in a while. These boys done a great job and I will be back to thier club. ALSO CONGRATS TO JERRY ON 2ND PLACE WITH HIS MALE DOG IN THE OPENS.

[warddog]

I'm like Oakhill in that I'm sure I should keep my mouth shut but I read these field trialing issues to try to learn. As I have posted numerous times on here I used to trial coon hounds but never beagles so I do have some understanding of rules and how they are supposed to work as I was a licensed UKC coon hunting judge. What I find interesting in a lot of these post is the lack of following the rules period. From what I've read every format has a protocol for protesting calls. All I've read state that the judge's decision in the field is final and if you don't like it then don't sign the score card which is the very first step of the handler lodging a protest. if the handler signs the score card they forfeit their right to protest unless the placement of the hounds on the scorecard is changed after he/she signs it. This is specifically for this casts scorecard and I believe what is meant is that if several of the handlers sign the scorecard and the last handler says hey there was a mathmatical error and the 1st and second place dogs are incorrect and reversed then this is a situation where those two handers may protest after they have signed the card. Any thing other than that is irrelavent and the 15 minute overtime is NOT one in which a placement on the scorecard woulf necessarily take place so it would not fit the rule either. By-the-way I've heard numerous folks talk about re-running a cast and I've yet to see someone show me in the rules that this is something that should ever be done but this 15 minute tie breaker overtime is the first that I've ever read in black and white in the rules even remotly close to runing dogs from a cast over the initial time limit.
With all this being said I agree that an honest mistake was made by the judge due to the newness of this addition into the rules. The scorecard was signed by ALL handlers in the field and at that point it was a done deal. The rules are very specific as to the protocol of lodging a protest and the MOH would be in violation of the rules if they interceded into this situation UNLESS someone noticed an error such as time, mathmatics etc that would change the placement of the hounds of THAT cast. An honest mistake was made by the judge which he admitted too but another mistake was made by the handler for not following the protocol cited in the " Official" rules. In my opinion as a third unbiased party looking at the situation and applying the "Official" rules as written in black and white what transpired was exactly as it should have been. No cooking of any kind but honest mistakes made by both parties and a club that followed the rules as they should have been followed to a "T". One other thing that I find interesting in THIS scenerio is that should the rules have been broken and the MOH ordered the 15 minute overtime be run after NO protest was initiated by the handlers in the field and they still came back in a tie the hunting and handling would have still been the tie breaker.

[danny vansickle]

Got a question?? This is in reference to what danny vansickle and taylorskennels wrote about going ahead and running the 15 minute overtime after all was back to the club. This is just a simple question for my own knowledge and for future reference. I was under the impression that once the card was signed and back to the club, nothing could be done after that. If this is not true then a lot of people dont understand or know it. It was discussed back at the club and that is where billy found out he had made the mistake and made his appology to those from the cast along with everyone still at the club. If I am not mistaken, everyone there thought since the card was signed nothing more could be done. Taking them back out and running the 15 minute overtime would have been the best and fairest thing to do as long as it does not break more rules. I can guarantee you that billy would have loved the opportunity to correct his mistake like that and would have not been upset or offended if he had been told that was what he had to do. It would have made him happy for his own personal satisfaction and peace of mind because he does not like making mistakes that affects others like that. Does anyone know for sure if that could have been done?????

I SEE YOUR POINT BIG DADDY,IF THE MOH WOULD HAVE INSISTED FOR THE 15 MINUTES,THEN THAT WOULD HAVE OPENED UP A PROTEST BY THE WINNER,THE SCORECARD WAS SIGNED,CAST IS OVER,BUT,I THINK IF THEY WOULD HAVE ALL SIT DOWN,READ THE RULEBOOK,REALIZED A MISTAKE WAS MADE,THEN ALL BEEN HOUNDSMEN,AND AGREED TO RUN THE OVERTIME,LIKE THE RULEBOOK SAYS,IT WOULD HAVE BEEN OK,BUT,ONCE THE CARD WAS SIGNED,A WINNER WAS NAMED,I DONT KNOW WHO WON,BUT,RULES ARE RULES,EITHER WAY,SOMEONE IS MAD.

I AM JUST GLAD I WAS NOT THERE....................

IT WAS CHAD BLAIRS FAULT,THERE,BLAME HIM,THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME

[Wilson Creek Cody]

Well said wardog. if every hunter had your mentallity these hunts would be alot smoother and a lot more enjoyable

[Wilson Creek Bill]

I agree Danny...Mr Blair is to blame..LOL.. Problem solved.

In all honesty, I feel bad for making the mistake. I try my best to follow rules to a T. Even fine lines, and everything. And I would never entend to cheat anybody. I dont have much in life...money, new house, new truck, world beater dogs...or anything. But one thing i have is a clear concience when i lay my head down at night and sleep. And to me thats worth more than 10 world champion dogs. Im here for the sport, and for the fellowship with fellow beaglers.

As far as I'm concerned, things are over. To modock, I'm sure somewhere down the road i will judge you again. Just to let you know...you don't have to sweat it. I dont hold grudges, and no kind of retaliation will come from me. Just for the sake of yourself, and everyone else, think twice before you run someone's name down, and try to destroy someone that you really dont know.

[modock kennels]

i wasnt tryin to run your name down......... it may have sounded like that but it wasnt i promise. its over as i am concerned as well i was mad and so would anyone else. i should have never wrote anything and just took the good with the bad. my apologizes are to you bill if you took it that way. otherwise if your brother of father have anything else to say they can call me pm for my number if you need it. again sry if you took it that way, i just wanted a chance. thanks in advance