Little Pack judging ?

[mike crabtree]

In a 2 dog cast dog A goes in a small thicket and jumps rabbit out, but doesnt know it right away. 30 or so seconds pass and Dog A gives mouth back where the rabbit came out and runs the rabbit to the hole. Dog B the only other dog in the cast was not in the area.

How would you score this?

[beagledogsetw]

strake jump dog A dog b dont need to be with him if you see the dog flush the rabbit out then he jumped it he was the only dog to bark three times first he must be scored a strake i have seen dogs jump a rabbit and not know it so if you see it you must score it for the dog. all judges dont judge alike thats just the way i judge hope this helps ELDEN

[chris herpin]

AS LONG AS THE DOG FINALLY REALIZED HE JUMPED THE RABBIT AND GIVES MOUTH YOU CAN SCORE THE JUMP. IF HE NEVER REALIZES THE RABBIT WAS FLUSHED FROM THE SET-UP HE GETS NOTHING. THE RULE SAYS A DOG CANNOT BE SCORED A JUMP BY HIS PRESENCE ALONE. CHRIS

[bullboy]

i would score dog a a strike not a strike jump as the dog diden't know he jumped it till he hit the sent dog b nothing

[AV Spencer]

The definition of a jump. To be flushed from a set up. Dog A flushed the rabbit from his set up. IF he realizes this-JUMP!

I think the original poster was asking if there could be a check scored too.
I think no.

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

dog a gets strike and jump points..if the judge seen it for sure , no matter if it waas later that he opened being as he was the only dog there .. the rule says the presence of hound doesnt count as a jump IF IF IF the hounds have to be put on that rabbit.. nobody did so its a strike jumnp!all day everyday! if he had breakdown of 15 seconds during this run he got checks being as dog b never came into play!and since it was a 30 minutes cast at least if dog b never got involved could be scratched!

[Buckeye Bob]

Strike and Jump
bull,wondering why you don't score the jump?Who did jump the rabbit?Not the other dog and I don't read where a handler or judge jumped it.Just curious.
I enjoy these kind of questions and think LP has the best rules but wish a jump could be scored more often to reward hunt and search.
2 things I would change are certification for champions.I have not heard a good excuse yet.And borrowing the UKC lack of hunt rule,which is if the hound is on the clock for 5 consecutive minutes for not hunting it is scratched.But in my opinion neither of these will ever change.

[Big Dog]

Strike Jump all day long, he is the only dog there so give him credit. A lot of people do not realize that there is a jump on EVERY rabbit; however it is not always possible to score it.

Here is a better one lets see how folks would score this. 2 dog cast dog A is standing in the road beside the judge dog B in the bushes, rabbit comes out of the bushes where dog B is. Dog B has whimpered but hasn't opened yet. Rabbit runs across the road right in front of Dog A who sight chases it. How do you score this? I scored it STrike and JUmp for dog B. This is one that will get the handlers panties in wad because they will hear dog A barking and not hear a word from Dog B. What does everyone else say.

Big Dog

[buddy_line_kennels]

definite strike jump

[Big Mike]

if rabbit was seen, Dog "A" gets jump ( he flushed rabbit from set-up) he does not have to open to recieve these points. Dog "A" also recieves strike points, because he did open. Mike does not give much information regarding the chase, however if dog "A" made any checks, it gets scored accordingly. As well as any minus points for swinging, leaving check area, ect.
Also, Dog "B" could/should be minused for not joining the pack, or judge should have at least advised handler to bring his dog up.

One mans opinion

[mike crabtree]

It was a short race straight to a rock pile. No checks and the cast ended at the hole. Dog B got to the other dog at the hole.

[Big Mike]

Mike,
What's the controversy, how was it scored?

[Buckeye Bob]

Big Dog,
I would have scored a jump on dog B and strike on dog A.How did it get scored on the card?Question...?How long was dog A on the trail?Burns me up when I see that.

[mike crabtree]

Dog B wasnt in the race at all until right where the rabbit holed up in a rock pile.
I scored it as a Jump and strike for dog A. The handler of dog B didnt think dog A should get jump points because he didnt know he jumped the rabbit.
The handler of dog B ask me to post this and get opinions.

1. Definition: A jump occurs when a rabbit has been flushed from a setup.

2. A jump only occurs at the beginning of a chase. No jump points shall be awarded except at the beginning of the chase.

13.No jump shall be given on a rabbit that is jumped by the presence of a hound, if the hounds have to be put on the rabbit

[mike crabtree]

Their was no really big controversy. The score card was signed with no protest. I feel like we left the trial as friends, with a difference of opinion.