Guys I am putting this post back up , this was the series of post that was deleted on the ARHA board by Joyce.
Take sometime and read this if you have a minute and tell me if you dont think something was up?
Hunter1 journeyman Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 85 Loc: IN VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? #3581 - 09/03/05 11:19 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
I SAW WHERE SOME OTHERS WERE ASKING WHEN WE WOULD BE VOTING FOR ARHA PP UPCOMING POSITIONS. IS IT POSSIBLE TO POST THAT INFO ON THE BOARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? INCLUDING THE LOCATION , DATE, AND EXACT TIME THIS WILL HAPPEN. PLUS I HAVE NEVER PARTICIPATED IN ONE OR EVEN BEEN PRESENT WHEN A VOTE WAS HELD SO IS IT POOSIBLE TO INCLUDE INFO ON HOW IT PLAYS OUT. I HAVE HEARD THAT THE CLUB IS SUPPOSE TO VOTE ON THE CANIDATES AND THUS INFORMING THE PRESIDENT ON HOW THEY WISH THERE CLUB VOTE TO BE CAST, IF THIS IS TRUE WE ALSO NEED TO HEAR WHO IS BEING NOMINATED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE THE MEMBERS OF THE CLUBS TO CONSIDER THE OPTIONS. MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A STICKY POST TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP TO DATE ON WHO HAS BEEN NOMINATED PLUS IF THEY ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION.THANKS, PAUL GREENWOOD (AKA... HUNTER1)(AKA... HI-TEC REDNECK KENNELS {1 OF 2 PARTS}[LOL]) Post Extras:
Aaron_Bartlett newbie Reged: 11/01/04 Posts: 42 Loc: Illinois Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3604 - 09/05/05 10:38 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Best idea ive heard for a while! Hope it happens this year.Im thinking about running for whatever office Wilkerson has. If he can afford a brand new cement pond and someone to take care of it.....thats where I need to be! Post Extras:
Wilkerson Boys member Reged: 10/31/04 Posts: 152 Loc: Georgia,, USA Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Aaron_Bartlett] #3605 - 09/06/05 04:25 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Aaron,Here lately I've thought of breaking it up and trying to sell it for gravel. Wayne --------------------The truth will set you free. Post Extras:
Swing stranger Reged: 11/08/04 Posts: 23 Loc: Arkansas Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Wilkerson Boys] #3614 - 09/06/05 04:33 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
You mean you all dont know when the election is or who will be running?Thats kinda strange. Post Extras:
Boggy stranger Reged: 08/23/05 Posts: 5 Loc: USA Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Swing] #3616 - 09/06/05 10:59 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Is strange this hasnt been answered. Post Extras:
Sudduth journeyman Reged: 03/29/05 Posts: 71 Loc: Tupelo,Mississippi Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Boggy] #3618 - 09/07/05 01:19 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Come on Mace this People would like a answer,and Your the Man that should know. Post Extras:
Clay Richey Dream Machine Reged: 11/02/04 Posts: 384 Loc: MS Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Sudduth] #3621 - 09/07/05 11:44 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Terry, Me and you need to run for something don't you think Big Boy. Clay --------------------HAIR OR HOLE! Post Extras:
Jesse Duncan stranger Reged: 11/09/04 Posts: 20 Loc: Martinville IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Clay Richey] #3622 - 09/07/05 01:16 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
I heard that the executive board members were supposed to have a meeting in October.? Maybe that is when they are voting for the positions. I would also like to know to as president of MCBC, so that I can give a chance to the club members to cast their vote. Its all fair. Jesse Duncan Post Extras:
CC Hard Track grand daddy Reged: 11/01/04 Posts: 90 Loc: Spencer, Indiana Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Jesse Duncan] #3625 - 09/07/05 02:40 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
To the Progressive Pack Family: I hope you are all doing well and enjoying this cool fall weather! The fall campaign on the point race is well under way and in spite of rising gas prices the entry numbers are holding up so far. So that we may ease the minds of the few folks who have made posts here, the Progressive Pack rules provide that, "The Board of Directors shall meet every 2 years . . ." Rule II.B.2. The Progressive Pack rules provide further that, "At the annual meeting of the Board of Directors, the Board shall elect a Chairman of the Board, the Watchdog Committee, and appoint other committees as it sees appropriate for the conduct of ARHA business for the upcoming calendar year. The term of office for all elected officers and elected committee members is 2 years." Rule II.B.5-6. The term of office for the current elected officers and members will run through December 31, 2006. We do not anticipate having a Board of Director's meeting during the 2005 calendar year. Finally, rule II.B.3. provides that, "The President of the ARHA, or the Chairman of the Board must notify each member of the Board of Directors, at least 10 days in advance of the meeting." I can assure the few of you who have made post here, and who seem to be concerned, that we will comply with these rules. I hope to see you all at the PP hunts for years to come. Mace Clark, Chairman of the Executive Board Edited by CC Hard Track (09/07/05 02:41 PM) Post Extras:
Hunter1 journeyman Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 85 Loc: IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: CC Hard Track] #3631 - 09/07/05 09:14 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Quote: We do not anticipate having a Board of Director's meeting during the 2005 calendar year. I can assure the few of you who have made post here, and who seem to be concerned, that we will comply with these rules. Hello Mace,I pulled quotes from your post that confused me and was hoping you could clarify. For the purpose of clarity I cut and pasted the hunts from the upcoming hunt list here.KEITH BUSE (812) 922-5207 BOB FULLER (812) 897-216510/21/2005 BOONEVILLE, IN 6:00AM ECBC UPCOMING-U.S.CHAMPIONSHIPYes Yes Yes YesKEITH BUSE (812) 922-5207 BOB FULLER (812) 897-216510/22/2005 BOONEVILLE, IN 6:00AM ECBC UPCOMING-U.S.CHAMPIONSHIPYes Yes Yes YesMIKE MYERS (740) 634-2788 RUSS RICE (740) 493-101610/23/2005 CHILLICOTHE, OH 7:00AM FCRH COMPLETEDCANCELLEDPERFRANCINE MYERSYes Yes Yes YesKEITH BUSE (812) 922-5207 BOB FULLER (812) 897-216510/23/2005 BOONEVILLE, IN 6:00AM ECBC UPCOMING-U.S.CHAMPIONSHIPYes Yes Yes YesAnd this is the first paragraph from the PP rules with the sentence that seemed to contradict your statements in bold.All rules, policies and procedures listed in this document have been established by the ARHA Progressive Pack Board of Directors and are in effect as of January 1, 2003 and remain in effect until December 31, 2009. These rules, as amended, will be in effect for six years. An election of officers, by the Board of Directors, will be held at the Progressive Pack U.S. Championship in the year 2005, to elect officers for the subsequent two years. The primary purpose of Progressive Pack Field Trials is to keep the beagle useful as a rabbit-hunting hound.your assistance will be appreciated, Paul Greenwood
Hunter1 journeyman Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 85 Loc: IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: CC Hard Track] #3633 - 09/07/05 10:03 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Quote: Rule II.B.5-6. The term of office for the current elected officers and members will run through December 31, 2006. This is II.B.5-6At the annual meeting of the Board of Directors, the Board shall elect a Chairman of the Board, the Watchdog Committee, and appoint other committees as it sees appropriate for the conduct of ARHA business for the upcoming calendar year.The term of office for all elected officers and elected committee members is 2 years.All rules, policies and procedures listed in this document have been established by the ARHA Progressive Pack Board of Directors and are in effect as of January 1, 2003 and remain in effect until December 31, 2009. These rules, as amended, will be in effect for six years. An election of officers, by the Board of Directors, will be held at the Progressive Pack U.S. Championship in the year 2005, to elect officers for the subsequent two years. The primary purpose of Progressive Pack Field Trials is to keep the beagle useful as a rabbit-hunting hound.The above is again the first paragraph from the PP rules and in the bold print the word subsequent is used. This is the definition given in the dictionary for subsequent = : following in time, order, or place.So the way I understand this is the following 2 years is 2006 and 2007 for the next term. thanks again , Paul Post Extras:
Jesse Duncan stranger Reged: 11/09/04 Posts: 20 Loc: Martinville IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3634 - 09/07/05 10:16 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Rule IIA says, The Board of Directors shall be made up of all pp club presidents and all members of executive board members. If this is the current pp rules starting in 2003, the year I MCBC was declared a pp club, I as President was never contacted by the Chairman of the board or President in the 10 day period. Can I get an answer to this? Post Extras:
Boggy stranger Reged: 08/23/05 Posts: 5 Loc: USA Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3635 - 09/07/05 10:36 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Hunter1, Thats what has had me confused. It says in the beginning of the rules "An election of officers, by the Board of Directors, will be held at the Progressive Pack U.S. Championship in the year 2005, to elect officers for the subsequent two years". That would lead one to think it means 2006 and 2007? It would make no sense to elect someone in 2005 for the year 2007, but it would make sense to elect in 2005 for 1-1-2006 thru 12-31-2007 then in fall of 2007 you would vote for 1-31-2008 thru 12-31-2009 which brings you in on the exact same day(12-31-2009) that these rules are set to expire(which means BOD has to meet in 2009 to vote on rule changes and officers one would think). If you elect next year for 2007 and 2008 then that means the subsequent vote would be for 1-1-2009 thru 12-31-2010 which makes the terms last 1 year longer than the rules since rules have to be voted on and amended if any changes by 12-31-2009, as stated at start of pp rules. I am still confused. Post Extras:
Sudduth journeyman Reged: 03/29/05 Posts: 71 Loc: Tupelo,Mississippi Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3637 - 09/08/05 12:57 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Quote: Quote: Rule II.B.5-6. The term of office for the current elected officers and members will run through December 31, 2006. This is II.B.5-6At the annual meeting of the Board of Directors, the Board shall elect a Chairman of the Board, the Watchdog Committee, and appoint other committees as it sees appropriate for the conduct of ARHA business for the upcoming calendar year.The term of office for all elected officers and elected committee members is 2 years.All rules, policies and procedures listed in this document have been established by the ARHA Progressive Pack Board of Directors and are in effect as of January 1, 2003 and remain in effect until December 31, 2009. These rules, as amended, will be in effect for six years. An election of officers, by the Board of Directors, will be held at the Progressive Pack U.S. Championship in the year 2005, to elect officers for the subsequent two years. The primary purpose of Progressive Pack Field Trials is to keep the beagle useful as a rabbit-hunting hound.The above is again the first paragraph from the PP rules and in the bold print the word subsequent is used. This is the definition given in the dictionary for subsequent = : following in time, order, or place.So the way I understand this is the following 2 years is 2006 and 2007 for the next term. thanks again , Paul Mace it is there in black,and white,what is up with this?Thanks (From one of the few)Terry Post Extras:
Sudduth journeyman Reged: 03/29/05 Posts: 71 Loc: Tupelo,Mississippi Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Jesse Duncan] #3638 - 09/08/05 01:04 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Quote: Rule IIA says, The Board of Directors shall be made up of all pp club presidents and all members of executive board members. If this is the current pp rules starting in 2003, the year I MCBC was declared a pp club, I as President was never contacted by the Chairman of the board or President in the 10 day period. Can I get an answer to this? Jesse,I was told by several people at the last election that They did not know that there was a election held,and if They did They would have been there,but Someone must have forgot that rule,are just never intended to use it? Post Extras:
Sudduth journeyman Reged: 03/29/05 Posts: 71 Loc: Tupelo,Mississippi Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Clay Richey] #3639 - 09/08/05 01:07 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Clay You are mighty right o Big Boy,We will run for something.LOL Post Extras:
CC Hard Track grand daddy Reged: 11/01/04 Posts: 90 Loc: Spencer, Indiana Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3645 - 09/08/05 11:32 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Paul: I have checked with Dave Frazier, Chairman of the Rules Committee concerning your question about the opening paragraph in the green PP rules books and the reference to 2005. Dave said that that was simply a typo which occurred during the last printing of the rule books. Of course the last national elections were held in 2004 for a term of office to be occupied from January 1, 2005 through December 31, 2006. Because we have found a number of typos in the green rule books the Executive Board decidied to have the Rules Chairman and his staff audit the entire rule book to make sure they are correct and then reprint them. Hopefully those new books will be ready for distribution at the U.S. in October. Dave and his staff [Derrell Burk and Wayne Wilkerson] have gone back to the original rule book, reviewed all changes authorized by the Board of Directors over the years, and will have the updated books ready for distribution soon. Hope this helps. Mace Post Extras:
Jesse Duncan stranger Reged: 11/09/04 Posts: 20 Loc: Martinville IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: CC Hard Track] #3651 - 09/08/05 12:44 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Ok I'm still confused. When was the elections held in 2004?? Why was our club never contacted to be able to come and cast our vote for the subsequent years?? If these rules were made in 2003, then all of the sudden a typo, then why are they just now being caught in late 2005??? Since the next election will be held in 2006, when in 2006 is this going to be done? Date, time, location, etc?? When will I be contacted and how, before this takes place. Since there is going to be new rule books now do the rules extend to 2010?? Can I get some answers please?? Thanks Jesse Duncan Post Extras:
JOYCE Moderator Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 77 Loc: Blaine, Tn Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Jesse Duncan] #3652 - 09/08/05 01:48 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
JESSE:THE RULES WILL NOT EXTEND TO 2010 UNLESS DEL DECIDES TO FREEZE THEM FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR 6 YEARS. WE WILL SEND AND WE SENT NOTIFICATIONS FROM THIS OFFICE TO ALL PP CLUBS WHEN THE ELECTION WAS GOING TO BE HELD AND WHEN IT IS GOING TO BE HELD. ALL NOTIFICATIONS ARE MAILED TO THE CLUBS' SECRETARIES AT THE ADDRESS THAT WE RECEIVE ON THE CLUB'S CHARTER INFORMATION. THE TYPO WAS DISCOVERED BEFORE LATE 2005 BUT SINCE THE PEOPLE, WHO HAVE TO CORRECT MISTAKES FROM THE CURRENT VERISION AND DOUBLE CHECK ALL PREVIOUS RULES THAT WERE VOTED ON BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, HAVE JOBS AND LIVES OUTSIDE OF PROGRESSIVE PACK IT DOES TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THINGS DONE. YOUR CLUB WILL BE NOTIFIED AT LEAST 10 DAYS (ACCORDING TO THE RULES) BEFORE THE ELECTION AS TO THE DATE, TIME AND LOCATION. I HOPE THIS GIVES YOU THE ANSWERS THAT YOU WANT.THANKS!JOYCE --------------------What can wash away our sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus! Post Extras:
Jesse Duncan stranger Reged: 11/09/04 Posts: 20 Loc: Martinville IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: JOYCE] #3653 - 09/08/05 02:05 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Joyce, thanks for the reply. I have just a couple more questions. Can you send me confirmation as to when you sent Morgan County Beagle Club the postage through the mail with the month day and year. Since the last electon was made in 2004, then the postage date should have last years date on it when you sent it to our secretary. Also one more question, we never got sent any info on minutes used in that meeting and who won the votes. Don't each President have the right to know this information so we can share this with our club members???? Thanks Jesse Duncan
JOYCE Moderator Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 77 Loc: Blaine, Tn Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Jesse Duncan] #3655 - 09/08/05 02:59 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
JESSE:THE NOTE TO THE CLUBS WAS TYPED ON 12/30/03 AT 1:59PM AND WAS MAILED THE WEEK OF JANUARY 5, 2004. AS FOR THE ACTUAL MONTH, DAY AND TIME I MAILED IT TO THE CLUB I WOULDN'T HAVE A CLUE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENVELOPE THAT IT WAS MAILED IN. I AM SURE THAT IF YOU HAD REQUESTED A COPY OF THE MINUTES THAT DEB RUSSELL WOULD HAVE BEEN GLAD TO SEND THEM TO YOU OR ANY OTHER CLUB PRESIDENT.THANKS!JOYCE --------------------What can wash away our sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus! Post Extras:
Dave Frazier Evil Rule Wizard Reged: 11/01/04 Posts: 12 Loc: Michigan Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: JOYCE] #3657 - 09/08/05 04:18 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
The last election of Executive Board members was held in March of 2004 at the U.S. Championship. The term for those elected is two years starting on 01/01/05 thru 12/31/06.Over the years this election was held every two years at the Rules meeting or at U.S Championship. The Rules are frozen so there has not been a rules meeting since August of 2002. Over the years the U.S Championship was held in December, then changed to October, then it was moved to March and now it has been moved back to October. The thought of what date to have the election on has always been when we had the chance of getting the biggest turn out of club Presidents.Nominations for officers are open to everyone and are made at the meeting and then a formal vote is taken.I have had the pleasure of attending all of the elections except the very first one and all of them were done the exact same way.I hope this helps clear things up.Dave Frazier/ Chairman of the Rules Committee.I Post Extras:
Hunter1 journeyman Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 85 Loc: IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Dave Frazier] #3662 - 09/08/05 05:55 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Quote: The Rules are frozen so there has not been a rules meeting since August of 2002.Nominations for officers are open to everyone and are made at the meeting and then a formal vote is taken. This is pasted from the rules section II.B.4-7There must be 2/3-majority vote of the directors in attendance at the Board of Directors meeting to change any rule, policy, or procedure.At the annual meeting of the Board of Directors, the Board shall elect a Chairman of the Board, the Watchdog Committee, and appoint other committees as it sees appropriate for the conduct of ARHA business for the upcoming calendar year.The term of office for all elected officers and elected committee members is 2 years. Changes to the ARHA Rules, Policies, and Procedures may be made only by vote of the Board of Directors.Dave just checking to make sure this is correct in my understanding. Rules are only frozen unless voted into effect by a 2/3 majority of the Board of Directors. Is this correct ? thanksThe second part of your quote says that nominations are at that meeting. This confuses me because the following section pasted from the rule book.II. Board of Directors:A. The Board of Directors shall be made up of the Presidents of all Progressive Pack clubs and all members of the Executive Board, whether elected or appointed, under these conditions; if an alternate (appointed representative) is to be an official voting member of the Board of Directors he/she must have a written proxy from the club President he/she is representing. This written proxy must be presented to the Chairman of the Board when there is a meeting of the Board of Directors.With this being the case how can the president that is not at the US Championship send a letter with the (appointed representative) to cast a vote without knowing who the nominees are? It would seem to make more sense from a written proxy stand point to know in advance who the nominees are so the (appointed representative) could vote according to that president's wishes. thanks again for clarifyingalso Joyce,Also in Jesse's post I think he may have been confused by I.C.7 which states....The Secretary/Treasurer shall keep an official record of all proceedings of the Board and shall provide copies of the minutes to all board members of this board.This is clearly directed to the Executive Board and not the Board of Directors. At least that is what I am thinking.Thanks, Paul Greenwood Post Extras:
JOYCE Moderator Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 77 Loc: Blaine, Tn Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3663 - 09/08/05 06:04 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
PAUL:IN REGARDS TO DAVE'S POST ABOUT THE RULES BEING FROZEN AND THE 2/3 VOTE FOR ANY CHANGES, DEL MORGAN HAS THE AUTHORITY TO FREEZE OR UNFREEZE OR MAKE ANY CHANGES AT ANY TIME. HOPE THIS HELPS.THANKS!JOYCE --------------------What can wash away our sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus! Post Extras:
Boggy stranger Reged: 08/23/05 Posts: 5 Loc: USA Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Dave Frazier] #3664 - 09/08/05 06:17 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Quote: Nominations for officers are open to everyone and are made at the meeting and then a formal vote is taken.Dave Frazier/ Chairman of the Rules Committee.I Nominations were only allowed by officers of a club in 2004. To say nominations are open to everyone would be somewhat misleading since its a clubs officer doing the nominating without the clubs input. How would the club members know who to vote for if you dont know who your choices are until minutes before elections? Post Extras:
Hunter1 journeyman Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 85 Loc: IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Boggy] #3665 - 09/08/05 06:40 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
II.B. Duties of the Board of DirectorsThe Board of Directors shall set all Rules, policies, and procedures for the ARHA Progressive Pack and the conduct of all Progressive Pack competition events Licensed by the ARHA.The Board of directors shall meet every 2 years unless a special meeting is called by the President of the ARHA, or the Chairman of the BoardThe President of the ARHA, or the Chairman of the Board must notify each member of the Board of Directors, at least 10 days in advance of the meeting.There must be 2/3-majority vote of the directors in attendance at the Board of Directors meeting to change any rule, policy, or procedure.At the annual meeting of the Board of Directors, the Board shall elect a Chairman of the Board, the Watchdog Committee, and appoint other committees as it sees appropriate for the conduct of ARHA business for the upcoming calendar year.The term of office for all elected officers and elected committee members is 2 years. Changes to the ARHA Rules, Policies, and Procedures may be made only by vote of the Board of Directors. With all respect to Del Morgan it plainly states in approx. 3 places that the rules can only be changed by the Board of Directors. I would this includes wether the rules are able to be changed or not. Thanks, Paul Greenwood Post Extras:
Swing stranger Reged: 11/08/04 Posts: 23 Loc: Arkansas Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3667 - 09/08/05 07:30 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Whats up with this whole mess, IM SMELLING FISH!!!!!!!!!LOL Post Extras:
Hunter1 journeyman Reged: 10/28/04 Posts: 85 Loc: IN Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: JOYCE] #3668 - 09/08/05 08:15 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Quote: WE WILL SEND AND WE SENT NOTIFICATIONS FROM THIS OFFICE TO ALL PP CLUBS WHEN THE ELECTION WAS GOING TO BE HELD AND WHEN IT IS GOING TO BE HELD. ALL NOTIFICATIONS ARE MAILED TO THE CLUBS' SECRETARIES AT THE ADDRESS THAT WE RECEIVE ON THE CLUB'S CHARTER INFORMATION. In the above quote Joyce you say that you sent the notifications to the club's secretaries.In previous posts we have been assured that the rules would be enforced. This does not seem to be accurate since you sent them to the secretaries and the rule is as pasted below.part 1 ... ARHA has the info needed to send the notifications to the correct persons.Chartered clubs are to hold their elections by December of each year. Form A is to be sent to the ARHA office by January 1, listing the type(s) of competition the club will hold, names of all officers, and addresses and phone numbers of these officers.part 2 ....the wrong ARHA individual contacted the wrong persons at the club level.The President of the ARHA, or the Chairman of the Board must notify each member of the Board of Directors, at least 10 days in advance of the meeting.With these things coming to light it would look like the last election was not according to the rules which would make it null and void.Hopefully this will bring some clarity, Paul Greenwood
Joe Peavler
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3671 - 09/08/05 09:25 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Here it goes, the ruin of everything,POLITICS and whining about POLITICS.
I have been the president of the Okla.Lake Country Rabbit Hunters Assc. for the last several years and we have always recieved info on when there was going to be an election or board of director's meeting.
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Indiana Brian
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Joe Peavler] #3672 - 09/08/05 09:34 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Joe, I'm glad. However, if there is only ONE club that didn't get notification, I agree that the vote was tainted, and is therefore null. How can we call a vote valid when all those who could have voted were not notified of that vote?
I would suggest to Joyce (?) to please consider sending those notifications certified mail so that there will NEVER be another occasion for anyone to question this step. I would think that this would be a way to provide an audit trail and protection for the orginization leaders. Just an idea.
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Indiana Brian] #3673 - 09/08/05 09:37 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
I agree,that might be a good idea.
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Jesse Duncan
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Joe Peavler] #3675 - 09/08/05 09:56 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Earlier I got tired of waiting for posts from certain people. So I decided to call on this situation. I talked to Deb Russell the secratery. As I was talking to her, she told me that she had my pink slip for voting for my club. When I told her that I wasn't notified for the vote by NKC, she also told me that she never got one too. Then she went on to tell me that she had a check mark by my name, that I was present for the vote. I told her that I wasn't there. Then she went on to tell me the only way we can hand out your voting card is with club Id. So not only was I not there at the vote, someone ended up with my card and voted under my name. I have been president of this club since its been up and running and I never signed a proxy to let someone else vote in stance of MCBC. It dosen't make since that someone else can get their hands on my voting card and vote under my name, therefore it dosen't make that nomination right.
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Sudduth
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Indiana Brian] #3677 - 09/09/05 01:49 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Joyce I am sorry,but I am the Secretary of TBC,and I know that I was not notified about the Election,the only way that I knew about the Election was because I received some phone calls asking Me to run against Mace,and I was told about it from a Executive Member,I am not going to name any names,but I was told by several Clubs that they were never notified of any Election,just to name a few clubs,one was from Kentucky,Arkansaw,and MO.The Election was not held by the way the rules were written!!!and The next Election should be held according by the way the rules are written,If a hunt is not held by the rules the Hunt will be threw out,I am not for nulling the 2004 Election because I can live with it one more year,But like I said the 2006 Election should be held by the rules. Thanks Terry
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Dave Frazier
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Sudduth] #3682 - 09/09/05 07:19 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Paul, the rules were frozen for six years by the ARHA President.
F. Rules Committee
5. Note: Any decision made by a committee and/or board within the ARHA Progressive Pack structure shall be subject to reveiw and possible revocation by the ARHA President.
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Hunter1
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Dave Frazier] #3683 - 09/09/05 11:02 AM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Hey Dave , Ok Thanks for pointing that rule out but I do not read in that rule that he has the right to freeze the rules. That rule simply gives him the final approval or disapproval of rules that are made, similar to a veto. Thanks , Paul
Hunter1
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Dave Frazier] #3683 - 09/09/05 11:02 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Hey Dave , Ok Thanks for pointing that rule out but I do not read in that rule that he has the right to freeze the rules. That rule simply gives him the final approval or disapproval of rules that are made, similar to a veto. Thanks , Paul
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Rockabilly
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3685 - 09/10/05 02:06 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
This shore enough sounds like a mess. Why is it such a secret when the next electshon is. This here simple hillbilly wonders why theterms of offices are not on this here fancy site. Seems to be an easy fix to you alls confusion on this here problen.
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Sudduth
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Rockabilly] #3692 - 09/11/05 12:31 AM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Mace,I am directing all My Questions to You, sense You are the Chairman at this time,and all I want You to answer is how the last Election could be considered a legal Election,sense this topic has been brought up I have heard from other clubs saying they were not notified,and the way It look to Me is that the only clubs that were notified were the ones that You knew that You would get there votes,I was not at the last Election because I am just a secretary,and Presidents of eash club is the only ones that could vote,but I was told that You could have heard a pin drop when I was nominated,By the way the rules read, I know for a fact that the last Election was not Legal,I also heard before the last election,that You wanted to keep everthing like it was,and let the election go smooth with no changes,and that is exactly how it went,with the exception of Me being nominated for Your title,and I beleave that Your title was the only one that anyone nominated someone else for,Everyone that has asked a question on here got some kind of answer(excuse),but no one wants to answer Me for some reason,Why?
Thanks
Terry
PS.There is alot more I could bring up,but I am going to leave it alone at this time,and I am not the one that brought this topic up,but when I replied to it, it went like wildfire,and all I did was ask You a question,that You have yet to reply to.
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Shawn Benefield
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Sudduth] #3700 - 09/11/05 06:17 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
No harm intended but I really think it might be time for change. I mean even the U.S votes every Four years. FAIR and Honest. What wrong with that. I just hope everything was done right and this next one will be done right. It really good to see that everyone in the progressive Pack faimly is interested in all of this. I just hope this can be talk about and not get everyone in trouble. How do you nomanate a person? and when they are nomanate could it be posted on the board so all club could have a club meeting an discuse who the club would vote for.
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JOYCE
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Shawn Benefield] #3719 - 09/12/05 02:52 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
TERRY:
I AM NOT MACE BUT I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS OR ANYONE ELSE'S. FIRST, THE ELECTION FOR OFFICERS WILL BE AT THE U.S. CHAMPIONSHIP 2006. SECOND, THE CLUBS WILL BE NOTIFIED
WITHIN THE TIME FRAME STATED IN THE RULES. THIRD, CLUB MEMBERS SHOULD COME TO AN AGREEMENT BEFORE THE ELECTION OF WHO THEY WANT TO LEAD THEM FOR THE NEXT 2 YEARS AND TELL THEIR PRESIDENT WHO THEY WANT TO NOMINATE AS THEY CAN NOMINATE ANYONE THEY WISH TO AT CLUB LEVEL AND HAVE THE PRESIDENT NOMINATE THAT PERSON FROM THE FLOOR. DO YOU ALL NOT TRUST YOUR CLUB PRESIDENT'S INTELLIGENCE ENOUGH TO ALLOW HIM/HER TO MAKE A DECISION? FOURTH, ARE YOU ACCUSING MACE, MYSELF, THE E-BOARD AND THE CLUB PRESIDENTS OR PROXIES OF CHEATING? I TAKE THAT KINDA OF PERSONAL MYSELF SINCE I HAVE NEVER DONE A THING TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE BUT TRY TO IMPROVE THE ARHA AS WHOLE. FIFTH, ANYONE CAN ATTEND THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS BUT ONLY THE CLUB PRESIDENT OR THEIR PROXY CAN CAST A VOTE.
THIS BOARD IS NOT TO BE USED BY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DESTROY A CLUB OR A PERSON AND IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. THE BOARD IS TO BE USED FOR INFORMATION AND QUESTIONS.
THANKS!
JOYCE
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Boggy
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: JOYCE] #3723 - 09/12/05 05:35 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Seems like election of PP chairman would be important, and this is a PP board. And a QUESTION led this post off. Then some started spinning wheels, casting stones and trying to defend "the family". The good that has been done is all in the eyes of the beholder. To each his own atleast now we know when elections will be held. Maybe it would have been easier to just answer the question to start with, and say US Championships 2006. Sometimes you can spend more time avoiding work than just doing the work. Good day.
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Hunter1
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: JOYCE] #3724 - 09/12/05 05:54 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Hey Joyce,
TO START WITH THE FIRST POST I JUST ASKED SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS. YOUR SECOND POINT IS THE CLUBS WILL BE NOTIFIED IN TIME FRAME STATED IN THE RULES. BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION IN ONE OF YOUR EARLIER POSTS YOU DID NOT FOLLOW THE RULES WHEN YOU SENT THE NOTIFICATIONS TO THE CLUB SECRETARIES WHETHER THIS WAS INTENTIONAL OR NOT THIS IN ITSELF WOULD TAINT THE RESULTS. TO TOP THAT OFF WE HAVE HEARD FROM OTHERS THAT ALL THE CLUBS WERE NOT NOTIFIED THUS ALSO TAINTING THE RESULTS. THEN A FINAL POINT TO BE MADE IS THAT JESSE DUNCAN DID NOT PLACE A VOTE BUT YET DEB RUSSELL SAYS THE RECORD SHOWS HE DID THUS ALSO TAINTING THE RESULTS. YOUR THIRD POINT STATES THAT THE LOCAL CLUBS SHOULD COME TO A DECISION ON WHO THEY WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE VIA THE PRESIDENT , THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR A MAJORITY DECISION, THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND ACT LIKE WE SHOULD PUT ALL OUR FAITH IN OUR PRESIDENTS WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF BEAGLERS WOULD THEN BE MAKING THE DECISION. PLUS THE CLUB MEMBERS WOULD NOT ALL HEAR THE OTHER NOMINEES AT THE MEETING SINCE ALL DO NOT MAKE IT TO THE US CHAMPIONSHIP. YOUR FOURTH POINT IS THAT YOU THINK SOMEONE IS ACCUSING SOMEONE OF CHEATING, NOBODY HAS DONE THAT POINT BLANK BUT THINGS DEFINETLY LOOK FUNNY. IF YOU ARE SO SURE NOBODY CHEATED INTENTIONALLY THEN WHY NOT CLARIFY THE PROBLEM AND HOLD A NEW VOTE IN 2005 AND LET THE CHIPS FALL. ONE THING IS FOR SURE AND YOU CAN READ IT STRAIGHT FROM THE POSTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ON PRACTICALLY EVERY QUESTION ASKED THE ANSWERS GIVEN WERE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE RULE BOOK OR DID NOT APPLY TO THE QUESTION. WHEN MATT WAS PUT ON PROBATION IT WAS BECAUSE HE DID NOT FOLLOW THE RULE BOOK TO THE LETTER, IT NOW IS OBVIOUS THAT THE RULES WERE NOT FOLLOWED TO THE LETTER AT THE LAST ELECTION ACCORDING TO YOUR POSTS AND OTHERS. SO IT WOULD SEEM TO BE AN EASY FIX, WE DON’T HAVE TO BE AS AGGRESSIVE AS THE DECISION MADE AGAINST MATT BUT HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION AND PUT IN WHOEVER THEY DECIDE ON THE CORRECT WAY BY THE RULES. THERE IS STILL PLENTY OF TIME TO HOLD THE VOTE BY THE RULES AT THE 2005 US CHAMPIONSHIP. IF YOU ARE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT HELPING THE ARHA THEN THIS VOTE WOULD CLEAR THE AIR AND NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE AFFECTS OR DO YOU NOT TRUST THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
Thanks, Paul Greenwood
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Aaron_Bartlett
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Hunter1] #3727 - 09/12/05 08:21 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Im not sure what has to be done to change a rule but I think it would be a big help to everyone to change how the election is done. I think its a great thing that the clubs have a say in the election but I think it could be made alot better. In my opinion, all nominations should be made prior to the election. Make it so all nominations have to be sent in to the ARHA office on or before a certain date. Then ARHA can send out letters to all clubs before the election stating who is going to run and when the election will be held. All clubs could then vote on who they wanted the President or his/her proxy to vote for. Im sure this can not be done before the next election but is some food for thought. In the meantime it would be nice if those that are planning on being nominated would either post it on the board or better yet send a letter to all the clubs stating thier intentions. Ive never understood why its always a big secret.
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Swing
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Re: VOTING PROCESS CONFORMATION???? [Re: Aaron_Bartlett] #3730 - 09/12/05 08:50 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
Paul how about you or Sudduth running if we get a do over.
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Del Morgan Owner ARHA Reged: 09/13/05 Posts: 1 Loc: Blaine, TN Updated Voting Process Conformaion #3740 - 09/13/05 02:43 PM Reply Quote Quick Reply
The election for the progressive pack division was held in 2004, if there was a question if it was a legal election that should have been address at the time of the election. The election has always been held every 2 years. The NKC/ARHA office sent out notifications to the clubs and if certain clubs claim they did not get their notification then I am sorry but it has been over a year and the time to complain is over. We did not try to hold the election in secret as was stated on the message board! As the owner, I don’t have to ask for permission from a hand full of unhappy people to run the ARHA.I supported Mace and the Executive Board at the time of the election and I still support them now. As the owner of the ARHA I have the right to change the rules at any time, and I have the final say concerning the ARHA. I try to let each division run its self; however, it seems that I need to baby sit a few grown men now. As the owner if I do not support someone for chairman of a division, he or she will not be the chairman of that division. The ARHA Q&A board will not be used for an individual to verbally attack and try tear down any one from the president of a division to the newest member of a club. I have had enough of the backstabbing that has been going on. I will run this organization to the best of my ability and if that is not to your satisfaction then maybe you should move on. As the owner let me make this very clear I welcome anyone who wants to participate in and be active with the ARHA, it is a family friendly organization and I am going to make sure it stays that way, but it is also a privilege to participate and be active in the ARHA not a right. This is a private company and I have the right to ban anyone, this is not something that I enjoy doing. I do not like having to address situations like this but every now and then it seems a couple of people can cause such a mess that I am forced to step in and clean it up. Mace is the president of the division and will be the president until his office expires. If a few of you do not like the way he does something you need to contact me and not go on this message board and try to cause problems. This will not be tolerated and allowed to go on. Since owning the ARHA I have met a lot of good people and enjoyed working with all of you. When I bought the ARHA it was the best rabbit hunting organization and I still feel it is the best and I am going to continue to do any thing I can to assist it in growing and becoming even bigger and better than it is. Action is currently being taken against those individuals who have violated the provisions of this letter and those individuals can expect to receive correspondence from me with in the next few days which will outline any action I am taking against them.Thank you,Del Morgan President & CEO Post Extras:
If I find some more I will send it.
ps. I have heard this from multiple members at different times(3 to 4 individuals not in the presence of each other).....the deal with mace last year was xxxxxxx got a phone call from some people that left after the sat. hunt and said there was no use to stay for sun. hunt since they had already been cheated why spend more to get cheated again. When the members wanted to hold a meeting to change the appearance so nobody would even be able to make that accusation mace would not allow a meeting to take place. he held out til he could get del morgan and the board together and held the trial against dale barnes, randy beavers, and matt glomski. he accused them of being jealous and of his accomplishments and said they were basically working against him and his efforts to improve the pp division. mace had also got ahold of the people that called xxxxxxxxx and i believe scared them into saying they did not say anything. at the hearing mace brought papers in showing that the three in question had judged his dogs xxxx amount of times and never brought his dogs back a winner. evidently in his mind that was enough to prove they were conspiring against him. in no way is it possible his dogs never deserved it. i think alot of people are scared of mace due to him being a lawyer and the head of pp. the part i do not know for sure is ,,,,,, i heard that the person that brought him back winning both days rode to the hunt with him.
We caught them in more than 1 what ever you call it, a lie or typo or miscommunication and for that they banned us for life. I hope that the new format in ukc takes off.
hope this helps
YOURS TRULY JAMES MCCLURE 