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PREACHERS KENNEL · Post by **PREACHERS KENNEL** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:00 pm

ok here is a good one.=u got a dog on the clock matter of factthis will dogs 3rd minus if it goes that way,but right now he is on the clock,,while u r following him around him goin kinda in a line only one dog is barking with him after they hark in others leave it and ignore him. while he is on the clock before his time runs out lets call it dogs c jumps a rabbit and is running it all 3 other dog r running it dog a on the clock continues pecking on who knows what with dog b following and barking here and there hisself ......how u would u score this!

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:22 pm

HE IS ON THE CLOCK +10 STRIKE

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:56 pm

I stay with the dog on the clock. If I feel like he has produced a rabbit then he gets plus 10, if I feel like he is just babbling and has failed to produce then he gets a -10 and goes to the truck. I will not say a dog has produced a track just because another dog harks into him because that 2nd dog could be just me tooing and babbling like the first one.

Big Dog

JD Baisden · Post by **JD Baisden** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:50 pm

I agree with big dog.

Big Mike · Post by **Big Mike** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:25 pm

if cast time expired and dogs were ordered handled by the judge, then their should be no scoring, plus or minus, as Dog A was not given his/her four minutes to produce. Dog "C" gets nothing as Dog "A" was on the clock when Dog "C" struck. That is the way I would score, if I interpreted your description of activities correctly.

one man's opinion

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:40 pm

Big Mike, I don't think the time ran out in the cast, just the 3 minutes on the dog that was on the clock as this is a Little Pack scenario.

Big Dog

Ted Peercy · Post by **Ted Peercy** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:47 pm

As a judge, you have to stay with the dog that you have on the clock until the 3 minutes elapse, or until a rabbit is produced. If a rabbit is produced you would have to give the dog on the clock a plus 10 points, no matter which dog in the cast produces the rabbit. If the rabbit that dog c jumped while the other dog was on the clock was in the area that the dog first struck the rabbit, then it would be a jump for dog c and a plus strike for the dog on the clock. As a judge, you have to decide if the rabbit dog c jumped is THE rabbit that the dog on the clock is running or is A rabbit that is not in the equation. If the judge feels that this is A rabbit and not THE rabbit in the original strike, then do as Big Dog said. My opinion

Big Mike · Post by **Big Mike** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:49 pm

OOPS, read it wrong.
You said before Dog "A's" time runs out, Dog C strikes.(not cast time).
If other dogs didn't honor Dog A, -10 for non-produce. Handle dogs and handlers agree/disagree to run to first check of rabbit that Dog C started.

PREACHERS KENNEL · Post by **PREACHERS KENNEL** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:46 pm

time had not run out...enjoyed reading the answers,, so far.....HEY TED doesm dog a have to join dog c before u can give c the jump cause a was on the clock>????

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:35 am

MAYBE I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS ,,,, I YOUR DOG IS ON THE CLOCK HE HAS 3 MIN TO PLUS OR MINUS PECKING OR NOT........ NOW IF ANOTHER DOG JUMPS A RABBIT------ FIRST DOG IS STILL ON CLOCK ,,,,,,,,, GOOD OR BAD HE HAS TO BE SCORED ,,,,MY THOUGHT IS THIS ........... THE DOG ON THE CLOCK HAS 2 MINUS ALREADY I OWN HIM (PLAY WITH ME ) YOUR DOG JUMPS MR BUNNY ,,,,, AND HE IS WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE ..... YOU MUST GIVE ME THE +10 AND GIVE THE OTHER THE JUMP AND JUDGE FROM THERE NOW IF YOU START JUDGING THE DOGS FROM THAT JUMP AND MY DOG DOES NOT PULL TO YOURS THATS SCORING MOUTHY OR NOT YOU GOTTA GET HIM IN THE PACK .....SO I AM GOING TO STICK TO MY ORGINAL POST +10 FOR MY DOG ....... I HATE A MOUTHY DOG ALMOST AS MUCH AS ANYONE BUT THEY STILL GOT AS MUCH RIGHT AS ANOTHER TO BE THERE.... SOME MAY CALL THEM COLD TRAILING I CALL IT MOUTHY BUT UNFORTUNALY
DOG B SAVED IT.... I HAVE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES NOTICE DOG B WAS A REASONABLE DISTANCE IN MY MIND DOG A PROBALY DID START IT

Lynn Perkins · Post by **Lynn Perkins** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:00 am

[quote="PREACHERS KENNEL"]ok here is a good one.=u got a dog on the clock matter of factthis will dogs 3rd minus if it goes that way,but right now he is on the clock,,while u r following him around him goin kinda in a line only one dog is barking with him after they hark in others leave it and ignore him. while he is on the clock before his time runs out lets call it dogs c jumps a rabbit and is running it all 3 other dog r running it dog a on the clock continues pecking on who knows what with dog b following and barking here and there hisself......how u would u score this!

The way i read this is dog A on clock didn't go to dog C and continue pecking at the scent it was first on.If he stays at this first track he was on and the judge feels no rabbit produced from dog A -10,rabbit that dog c jumped did not become THE rabbit.Dog A is picked up for 3 minuses.

Just the way im reading into the story,Dog A (dog on clock) did not ever recognize dog C's rabbit as it being THE rabbit he was tracking or first had struck in on.says "he just kept pecking at his track"

Hey jimbo i've also seen this scored your way also but did mentally disagree with the judge

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:50 am

UR RIGHT LYNN I MAY BE READING OR UNDERSTANDING IT WRONG , NOW IF DOG A PECKS ON TO THE RIGHT AND DOG B GOES LEFT HAMMERING OUT I AM STILL COMMITTED TO DOG A THIS FAULTY MOUTHY HOUND JUST GOT STRIKE 3 BUT IF DOG A WORKS A LINE TO RH AND DOG B JUMPS RABBIT AND FIRES ON IT I WILL GIVE DOG A +10
U KNOW AS WELL AS ME SOMETHING HAS GOT TO START RACE MOUTHY OR NOT RIGHT OR WRONG .......... YOU ARE SAME BOAT AS ME WE DONT OWN A LINE OF MOUTHY DOGS AS A GENERAL RULE LOL I THINK THATS WHY TO CONFUSING TO JUDGE BUT THEY WILL GENERALLY CUT THERE OWN THROAT.. BUT THERE IS MOUTHY AND THERE IS BIG NOSED DOGS COMPLETLY DIFFERENT STORY C-YA

Big Mike · Post by **Big Mike** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:40 am

Yes, all great replies, BUT what is the bottom line ? How was this scored ?

PREACHERS KENNEL · Post by **PREACHERS KENNEL** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:53 am

well i did as lyn stated i was the judge because i didnt feel dog C rabbit was THE RABBIT caught a little slack over it but it was just friendly picking if dog A had joined in i woulda gave dog A a strike and dog C a jump,.i was just curious how others woulda scored it.it had been a while since this happened justthought since we r giving some examples it may hel-p eveyone to thing on these things i know i can learn more and am eager too.!

Ted Peercy · Post by **Ted Peercy** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:00 am

And I had dog c that jumped the rabbit, which every handler saw. The bad part was after the crazy judge dead tracked and minused the dog on the clock, we put the dogs on the rabbit that my dog had jumped, she got put on the clock, and got a minus. LOL

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