Future of ARHA

CORNERSTONE · Post by **CORNERSTONE** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:15 pm

I have been reading about PP clubs not going to re-up for 2006 and was wondering how this would effect LP and the ARHA/NKC as a whole.

I can not see where could be good, but I hope it does not spill over into LP. I am new to trialing and had alot of fun in ARHA LP this year.

dogrunnerone · Post by **dogrunnerone** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 2:10 am

Ed.

I agree with you 100%. One thing that I keep seeing and I have NO idea if they are true or not and that is, it seems there is a lot of problems and confusion around Mace Clark. I don't Mace, so I will not make judgement about him, but I do know Fred Hausman. He is the Mace of Little Pack. Fred is upright, straight and a pretty class act. When he takes a dog to the field and I have been on several casts with him, he excepts his loss as gracious as his wins. Is this the only way LP can succeed or lose, no way. I have seen in the past several months NKC banning several people for speaking their peice, this above all else seems to give NKC/ARHA a black eye as much as anything, it all seems to rotate around problems with PP. Hopefully it will all clear up and NKC/ARHA can get back to the way it was when it was ARHA.... Not looking for trouble or taking sides because I don't have a clue to what the problems were or are with the PP family and Mace, but I do know that it is getting plenty of notice throughout the entire ARHA programs. IF Del and NKC even care is another question you should be asking. If it is true what some say he said about field trialing, then that is sad. He hopefully didn't really say that because there are several programs up and coming that would be glad to take his business. It is a shame that the ARHA had to out grow Everett Morgan and the Rabbit Hunter, both were much better in those days for the organization and the people supporting it. Just my 2 cents!!!!!

dmbarnes · Post by **dmbarnes** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:48 am

Craig, It is true what Del said about thae ARHa and our money. He said it didn't effect his bottom line at all! I guess it is just a write off for him. I was at the meeting when he made those remarks. He also posted on this board and others that if we didn't like the way he ran ARHA then we could take our business else where.

I'm really glad that UKC has seen this opportunity to start a new format that will help fill the void.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:22 am

CRAIG IS RIGHT, EVER SINCE OL EVERETT SOLD TO BAILEY ITS GETTING RIDICOLUS ,IF I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT ,I THINK IF YOUR CLUB FOLDS THEN DEL MORGAN GETS UR CLUB ACT MONEY ? PLEASE HELP ME AM I RIGHT , MY CLUB THE SHELBY CO (KY) JUST FOLDED. WE HAD BEEN A CLUB SINCE 1989 MAYBE 1990 . NOT A BIG CLUB BUT A GOOD CLUB . WE REFUSED TO REUP DUE TO THIS RULING .... HOW MANY OTHER CLUBS WILL FOLLOW SUIT .... AS I HAVE MENTIONED IN EARLIER POST ,MR DEL SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT THE$$$ NOT THE SPORT.
I JOINED THE ARHA IN 89 AT THAT TIME EVERETT SAID IT WAS FORMED FOR THE POOR MAN , THERE IS GREAT LEADERSHIP AT THE HELM FRED ,RON, MIKE ,CHIP . I HAVE MADE LIFE LONG FRIENDS AS WELL AS RIVALS LOL. IN THIS FORUM . BUT AS OF LATE I AM QUESTIONING MY
BELIEVES ABOUT IT . AS ALL OTHER GREAT IDEALS GREED HAS TAKEN IT OVER WHAT A SHAME

Ky Scott · Post by **Ky Scott** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:35 am

I don't know the full grunt of what is going on and I'm very disapointed to hear about the clubs and PP. Ive had a lot of fun running PP and hope it all works out. What I really dont understand is the statement that was made about not caring if the field trialing continued or not. I dont know about all you guys but the only reason my dogs are registered ARHA is so I can compete in PP. I'm mean there all registered AKC so there is no reason to reg ARHA if there are no field trials. I just imagine that that is the reason most people register there dogs with ARHA. So if there are no PP or LP trials I would think that would be a heavy Blow to ARHA now and in the future. Lets face it if there are no trials why would anybody register there dogs ARHA

. I really hope it all works out but it does'nt sound good.

Jesse Duncan · Post by **Jesse Duncan** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:16 pm

Me and my fellow friends ran PP for years. It was great when I first started attending. I thought it was the best thing that hit earth since sliced cheese. Well.....soon after mace got the hot seat, and then thats when things started going sour.

My club, mcbc isnt resigning with the arha/nkc, and their not getting all the money. Far as me and the club mates are concerned they got there money off the last hunt.

Shot, I remember ole mace going around saying "we need to get our young folks into field trialing!" Heres the best part, I was about 14 years old and I went to maces club for a hunt and benched my dog; he come up to me with a YARD STICK and put it up to her and said your scratched boy!! Man thats really going to keep the young kids comeing back!!! You know the least he could have done is let me bench, he didn't have to bring me back a winner. Hes a pieace of work!!

Enough about mace, I could on all day about crap hes done. But I'm with Dale B. I heard Del Morgan say it wouldn't hurt his bottom dollar, that he didn't care if there was ever another PP hunt. I dont know it up to the person what format they want to hunt in, but theres more formats other that PP, they just try to convince you their the only one. I really scared to see who the new chairman is going to be?? If its the one I heard it was going to be then watch out!!!!!

Jesse Duncan

Joe P. · Post by **Joe P.** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:28 pm

So ,Jessie you are complaining about Mace going by the rules!!!!
And if he had let it slip by what would that have taught you?
I quit running LP because of all the belly aching and bickering in my area. And if the people that run PP (not likely) in my area start sounding like you guys on this board I will be done with it too. Not that you care but that is my opinion.

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:13 pm

Hey Joe, I do not think the rules say to use a yardstick to measure a hound. I do not believe Jesse would lie about it either. The judge could have very easily let him stay on the bench and never considered his dog for placing but for young kids participating is fun in itself. Heck maybe even have given him a ribbon for youngest handler and let him enjoy the day. Man, now there is a thought since arha was supposed to be family oriented. This same dog that Jesse had on the bench competed in arha lp. OOOO well enough of that type of stuff. Hope to see everyone that enjoyed arha pp in the NEW AND IMPROVING UKC PP(Performance Pack) FORMAT
cya, Paul

ps. in my humble opinion the BEAGLE CLUBS are just that, not arha clubs and are just sanctioned to run these arha events so in my opinion no money goes back to them other then the per dog amount at each hunt and the charter fee.

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:03 pm

Hey Joe, How things been going? Hope everything finds you and the family well. Im glad to hear that the Progressive Pack disease hasnt made it to Oklahoma yet. Hopefully it stays away cause from what ive seen you and the folks out there are good people.

Im not going to argue about something I never witnessed but I will say that if indeed ANYONE measured a dog and disqualified it by using a yard stick.....well lets just say I would be upset also.....LOL! I guess I was not aware that a yard stick was an accepted measuring device in the PP rule book. I would think a measuring stand would be the thing to use!
I will never forget when Mace told a guy that traveled several hours to try PP for the first time that one of his dogs shouldnt ever be entered in another PP hunt again. This was said by the Chairman of the PP division! I understand he was tring to stick with his "Judgem by the rules" campaign but as far as im concerned a guy with the roughest dog in the world has just as much right to pay his entry fee and run his dog as the next guy. Ive judged several dogs that didnt run by the PP rules but ive never told anyone not to ever bring them again. Just my opinion!

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:20 pm

Future ARHA LP Champion

Jesse Duncan · Post by **Jesse Duncan** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:14 am

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dmbarnes · Post by **dmbarnes** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:12 am

Whoa Jesse!!!! I personally think that Joe Peavler is one of the most honest Guys that I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. I really don't think that he is one of Mace's toadies! I believe that his club hosted the very first PP hunt. I'm sure that heis very upset and concerned about what is going on in the ARHA. I didn't see where he was defending Mace, I think you missed the point he was trying to make. That we should make sure that we teach kids right and wrong and that the rules shouldn't be bent for any reason. I do agree that a measuring stand should of been used and an explanation given as to why your dog was being measured.

Jesse Duncan · Post by **Jesse Duncan** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:28 am

I'll admit, maybe I shouldn't have been so harsh. Sorry. But I will always stand by what I believe. That is, Mace is single handingly destroying PP. I know there is a lot of people still out there that believes Mace is bettering the pp format. I dont. Peace Jesse Duncan

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:13 pm

Good man Jesse, I can understand how you feel partner.....emotions are easy to fly. If it makes you feel any better, I understand what you were saying about that bench deal. As my good Uncle always tells me, I can say in 1 minute of rage what I cant take back in a lifetime, lol......I should have listened to him.

I agree with you Dale. For what its worth......I have always thought a lot of Mr. Peavler and daggone I love them blackheaded blueticks of his. I really enjoyed the year that Joe and Big JJ ran together.....them guys were always real sportsmen!

Best to you all,
Randy

dmbarnes · Post by **dmbarnes** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:51 pm

I just heard that Clay Richey received a letter from Ron Ramsey banning him for 5 years for unsportsman like conduct. His dog only needed to place in the last hunt this year to win HOY in the champion class. So I guess that he just wasted all that money he spent running for HOY. If you can't beat em ban em!!!