ukc trials ?

[mo. beagler]

I talked to ukc today and they said they would do a single registry. Does anyone do ukc trials? it seems like everyone is arha sometimes akc. Is there a down side to ukc? I will be going to the tiff mo. trial feb 24 to check it out. There was one in dixon mo. last week I guess. I didnt hear about it till last night. Was anyone there?

[Gary A]

I run my dog in both UKC formats and like them both. A lot of the guys in UKC here were also in ARHA PP.

[Aaron Bartlett]

I think UKC is one of the best registries going! UKC has two formats, Hunting Beagle and Performance Pack. I prefer the Performance Pack over the Hunting Beagle but both are good formats. The UKC hunts in Missouri will be Hunting Beagle format because to date there are no clubs holding Performance Pack hunts in Missouri. I keep hoping there will be some clubs decide to give the Performance Pack a try. I would be willing to give them all the help I can.

[Joeyman]

The hunting beagle format - would that be equal to progressive pack style or little pack style. How many dogs do they run in a cast?

[mo. beagler]

havent been to one yet but the guy I called last night.gary from dixon.I think He said they run 4 to a cast and fast dogs. After the strike you have 3 min. to show a rabbit.

[TC]

Here ya Go lots of information on this site.
http://www.ukcdogs.com/BeagleRules.htm

[Tim L]

Our club runs UKC right now. Soon and I mean very soon we will run arha also. I like UKC and I think I will enjoy the arha from what I have seen

[rabbithunter110]

UKC is all we run. But our dogs are AKC and UKC but we only hunt in UKC trials.

[BIG AL]

Attend a trial and go with casts and see how the hunt is handled before you actually enter a dog. Ask questions and it will not be long before you catch on. Then start entering dogs and have fun.

[danny vansickle]

i went to the websight but could not find anything showing how points are awarded or minuses ect in a cast.can someone give a n example on how ukc awards points or how a cast is ran.been wanting to give ukc a try.

[TC]

This is on the back of the scorecard you can view the scorecard at
http://www.ukcdogs.com/BeagleScorecard.htm
Will post it here in case somebody dont have Adobe viewer
Scores are Recorded on the Front of the card.
All cast members must sign the card at the end of the hunt. Unless there is a Question that cannot be Anwered in the field either by Vote or Rulebook Any Questions are to be taken to the master of hounds!!
SORRY it is so long but figured maybe it would help answer any Questions.




2006/2007 Official UKC Hunting
Beagle Honor Rules
* Denotes rule change for 2006/2007
*1. All casts must hunt the complete hunting time designated for cast. All casts
will be 120 minutes with the exception of some elimination style casts and
winners packs where the host club designates a one hour cast. Hunting time
must be accurately recorded so Master of Hounds can confirm hunting time.
Before beginning a hunt, a time deadline for returning of scorecards will be
announced and posted in plain view of all hunters. Time to return scorecards
to Master of Hounds will be indicated on front of all scorecards. Dogs to be
drawn into the fewest casts possible, using four dog casts. Casts are not to
be drawn until after entries close at the advertised entry deadline. Those in
entry line at deadline will be entered.
2. POINT SYSTEM:
a. 100 points for dog that opens and is declared struck first, 75 points second,
50 points third, 25 points fourth. If a dog is turned back in on a
track, he gets next available position. If all positions are taken, he gets
25 points.
b. After rabbit has been completely circled and seen by a cast member or
non-hunting Judge, first dog to trail through the line to receive 100
points, 85 second, 70 third, 55 fourth.
c. All dogs struck are to be minused 20 points at each check. First dog to
recover the check to be awarded 20 points. No additional points for
second, third or fourth dog. (A check is defined as a temporary loss,
where none of the declared struck dogs open for a period of one
minute.) Start time immediately after last bark.
d. Points, including recovery points, may be split in cases where positions
cannot be determined.
3. POINTS WILL BE PLUS:
a. When the non-hunting Judge, or majority of cast if hunting Judge is
used, are present as Judge scores dogs on speed and drive at point
rabbit was seen by a Judge or cast member. (after completion of circle).
b. If dog(s) catch rabbit, dogs receive Strike and Check points only.
c. One set of points where two or more rabbits are seen on the same line.
d. One set of strike points. In case of split tracks, score first track (one time)
and recover dog(s) so they may be turned in to dog(s) running split
track. However, if rabbit on split track is seen while attempting to score
the first track, it may be scored (one time) and then dog(s) must be
turned in on the split track. Dog(s) turned in on split track gets next available
position. If all positions are taken, dog(s) get 25 points.
e. On Strike, when rabbit is jumped and seen by non-hunting Judge or
majority of cast if hunting Judge is used, but goes to a hole or place of
refuge before completion of circle (cast must make an attempt to locate
hole. Majority of cast decision in hunting Judge situation or nonhunting
Judges decision).
f. On strike, if dogs are trailing a rabbit that has been seen by the majority
of cast or the nonhunting Judge when time runs out.
4. POINTS WILL BE MINUS:
*a. If reasonable forward progress is not made within any three-minute
period. (Reasonable forward progress is defined as a track that is runable
by the majority of the pack or when it is obvious to the majority of
the cast members that a dog or dogs have recovered the track to a
runable state).
b. When it is visually evident by the majority of the cast or a non-hunting
judge that dog(s) quits a trail that is being worked, he will be minused.
Or, if none of the declared struck dogs open for a period of three minutes,
the track will be considered lost and minused. However, if dog(s)
goes back on the track, he will get the next available position. (Once a
position has been minused, it becomes available again. However, a
dog cannot be “struck in” over a dog’s position that is being held.) If all
positions are taken, dog will receive 25 points for going back, but these
points will be minused every time he comes out. Dog is not to be tied
or encouraged to go back..
c. Each dog declared struck to be minused 20 points at each “check,” but
will earn 20 points back if he is the first to recover the loss. Only the first
dog to recover the loss will receive the 20 points.
d. When majority of dogs are struck in on a track, and all dogs on a particular
track are minused simultaneously in accordance with rule 4 (a) or
4(b), draw a line through the original strike points and minus each dog
50 points. Otherwise, dogs are responsible for their called positions.
5. POINTS WILL BE CIRCLED:
Circle points will count neither for, nor against, dog except when ties are to
be broken.
a. In case of running into a hole or place of refuge, a rabbit that has not been
seen by the majority of cast or the non-hunting Judge (cast must make an
attempt to locate hole, majority of cast or non-hunting Judges decision).
b. If dog(s) are trailing when hunting time is finished.
c. If Judge has to call time out because of nearness to livestock, building,
highway, etc.
6. DOGS WILL BE SCRATCHED:
a. Fighting or attempting to fight during the authority of the Judge. Dog’s
name, UKC registration number, and owner’s name will be reported to UKC
on the Official Hunt Report form. No handler will be allowed to scratch their
dog to avoid being scratched for fighting. When the aggressive dog is
known, scratch the aggressor only. If not known, scratch dogs involved.
(Attempting to fight is defined as follows: when dog(s) are interfering with
other dog(s) during the authority of the Judge by aggressive behavior.)
b. After the first three minutes of the hunt, for failing to make any attempt
to hunt within any continuous five minutes of the hunt.
c. If handler fails to strike his dog on or before the third bark, after the first
three minutes of the hunt. (This rule is to be rigidly enforced.)
d. For running or molesting stock.
e. If a handler is drinking, or if he seems to want to stir up trouble.
f. Bitches smelling strong enough to attract dogs, or a dog that is just bad
to bother bitches while other dogs pay them no attention.
g. If dog is continuously silent on trail.
h. For delaying completion of cast for 30 minutes after time out is called in
accordance with rule 7.
i. For running game other than rabbit, even if time is out. Off game does
not have to be seen.
j. For use of any device used to control or locate dog prior to cast completing
hunting time. (Locating device may be used during time outs.)
Training device transmitter must be left in vehicle.
k. If handler hollers at or physically abuses the dog.
l. After the first three minutes of the hunt, any dog that leaves the handler
two times babbling, will be scratched. Babbling is defined as when a dog
opens three times, or has been struck, where no track is evident.
m. Club must set an overall time to return scorecards and cast will be
scratched for violation.
n. On second offense, if handler calls another handler’s dog.
o. Casts hunting over or under designated hunting time will be scratched.
p. For backtracking on second offense.
q. For “rough-running,” “cutting,” or “slashing” on track on second
offense. (This rule to be rigidly enforced.)
r. When dog(s) quits a trail that is being worked, on second offense, provided
remaining dog(s) circles and scores its rabbit.
s. If dog accumulates 300 minus points regardless of how many plus
points the dog has.
t. Any person caught using any device used to control or locate dog during
hunting time, will be scratched. Multiple infractions will be subject
to disciplinary action by United Kennel Club, Inc. not limited to barring
from one year to life from registering dogs and participating in UKC
events. Device may be used if dog (s) wearing the device is scratched
and all other dog (s) are recovered for recasting. (for time out periods,
see rule 6(j).)
7. TIME OUTS:
Judge or majority of cast if hunting Judge is used may call time out and circle
strike points in accordance with the following:
a. When dogs are getting on highway, trail onto posted land or trail into
a place where there is danger to dogs or hunters.
b. When other hunters get too close. If dogs get with another group of
dogs.
c. If new ground must be found to finish cast and more than 15 minutes
is required or have to move to new area by vehicle, call time out immediately.
d. In case of accident or sickness.
e. If cast becomes lost.
f. When dog(s) are trailing and out of hearing distance in different directions.
8. HANDLERS:
One handler to each dog. The handlers duty is to know their dog’s voice
and nature. Also to advise the Judge of any of the dog’s peculiarities before
the hunt begins. They must tell the Judge when the dog opens on strike. It
is the handler’s responsibility to check time and score before signing scorecard.
No holes or places of refuge to be disturbed. No rabbits or other
game to be killed. Handler is not allowed to call dog in unless instructed by
the Judge. Judge will give permission to call in dog to keep pack hunting in
the same vicinity. Handlers may give no verbal or hand commands to dog
without Judge’s permission. All handlers must stay with Judge at all times
unless given permission by Judge to leave. Judges to keep handlers and
spectators at a distance so as not to interfere with dogs. Any handler unable
to complete hunt must pick up their dog. Judge shall give permission for
another handler to complete hunt. Spectators will be allowed on all casts.
Handler’s dog(s) will be scratched for rule violations by their spectators. No
encouragement or discouragement of any kind to dogs.
9. JUDGE:
The Judges are picked by the sponsors because they believe them to be honest
and capable of keeping score as it is given them by handlers. Authority
of Judge begins when he/she is officially designated and receives the scorecard.
The authority of the Judge ceases when the scorecard is turned in to
the Master of Hounds. They will show no favors to any dog or hunter and
will inform handlers of score and time recorded, if requested. If hunting
Judge scratches his dog, he can continueto judge the cast as a hunting
Judge, or pass card to another member of the cast. Non-hunting Judge may
be assigned to any cast at the discretion of Master of Hounds and/or club
officials. Scorecard to be carried by Judge and must be scored by Judge in
plain view of all. If there is a question, score with question mark (?) and consult
the Hunting and Non-hunting Judge Clarification found in rule 16.
Situations not questioned and notated in the field at the time Judge’s decision
is made will not be considered. A non-hunting Judge is in complete
authority of the cast. They can score all situations without the
cast members present.
*10. MASTER OF HOUNDS:
Up to two Master of Hounds will be appointed by the host club and be in
charge of the hunt. Master of Hounds will not work together on one category
(Registered, HBCH and GRHBCH) nor will they work together when
hearing questions. Each will be responsible for a different category. If an
individuals dog is eliminated in the registered (morning) portion of the
event he may serve as the Master of Hounds for the Registered Winners
Pack, HBCH and GRHBCH. As long as a dog registered to their name is
still competing in the event, they may not serve as Master of Hounds. If
an individual is only entering a Hunting Beagle Champion or Grand
Hunting Beagle Champion, they may serve as the first round Registered
Master of Hounds. If club chooses to run all Registered, Champions and
Grands at the same time, only one Master of Hounds may be utilized.
UKC Strongly urges clubs to utilize one Master of Hounds that does not
have a dog entered in the event. A Master of Hounds must be at the clubhouse
at all times. The Master of Hounds will hear each viewpoint and
have last say. Remember, handler may state his case plainly, but if unreasonable,
his dog may be scratched by Master of Hounds. All scores must
be posted after the posted deadline or when all scorecards are in possession
of the Master of Hounds.
11. SCORECARDS:
Scorecards must be finished in the field and signed by each handler or his
dog will be scratched and no changes to be made later, except where a
question arises and is noted in the field. A scorecard may be signed still
with the right of protest. (Changes can only be made by the Master of
Hounds.) This rule must be strictly adhered to. Club secretary must keep
scorecards and make them available to contestants or UKC for one year.
12. COMPLAINTS:
In the event that a situation occurs during a UKC licensed event involving
any question concerning the rules of United Kennel Club (other than a violation
specifically covered by Rule 17), the handler is to go with the Judge
and members of that cast to the Master of Hounds as soon as the cast is
over and state their case. The Master of Hounds will make a final decision
based upon the statement of the case provided by the handler, Judge, and
other members of the cast. No questions will be considered by the Master
of Hounds after a period of 30 minutes has elapsed from the time that the
scorecard has been turned in. If the matter has not been satisfactorily
resolved by the decision of the Master of Hounds, a formal complaint may
be filed by any owner or handler of a UKC registered dog entered in the
UKC licensed event. If a formal complaint is made, request a UKC formal
complaint form from the Master of Hounds and fill it out. It must be turned
into the Master of Hounds not later than 30 minutes after the posted time
of deadline for return of scorecards. This complaint procedure does NOT
apply to alleged scorecard falsifications or other such irregularities. In
these cases request a Misconduct form from the Master of Hounds.
13. WINNERS:
a. The top four Registered cast winners with plus points will advance to the
Winner’s Pack. Dog must be present when Winner’s Pack is assembled.
See rulebook for procedure for placing dogs in an elimination style hunt.
b. The Registered Winner’s Pack will hunt for one or two hours; club option,
and will be judged by one or two non-hunting Judges. (Length of
Winner’s Pack must be posted prior to entry deadline.) See rulebook for
hunt times in an elimination style hunt
c. A total of ten Registered places will be awarded for championship points.
First through tenth places to be determined; first, by order of finish in the
Winners Pack. Next by high point cast winners not advancing to the
Winners Pack. With the exception of the Winners Pack, all dogs earning
championship points must have a total score of plus points, and win their
cast. No Winners Pack for champion and grand champion casts except
in elimination style hunts. See rulebook for procedure to place dogs in an
elimination style hunt. No Championship points will be awarded to any
dog that withdraws from or is intentionally scratched from a Winners
Pack. No Exceptions! No dogs shall move up in placement because of a
Winners Pack dog not receiving championship points.
14. TIES:
All ties to be broken for UKC points. Dog will win out over other dog; dog
that has the least number of minus points; if still a tie, dog that has the
most plus strike points; if still a tie, dog that has the most plus speed/drive
points; if still a tie, dog that has the most recovery points; if still a tie, dog
that has the most circled strike points; if still a tie, dogs will hunt in onehour
intervals until tie is broken or flip a coin if all parties agree.
15. GENERAL INFORMATION:
a. Search and Jump: Dogs to be freely cast and walked in the general
direction of the hunt. No hunting in enclosures except in Registered
Winner’s Pack. Dogs to be declared struck and recorded according to
their called positions upon opening. Dog must open before being
declared struck Judge will instruct handlers to call in dog(s) when necessary
to keep cast hunting together. Dog(s), not handlers or Judges, to
search for and jump rabbit. In case of handlers inadvertantly jumping
rabbit, hounds may be released on track for split strike points. It is a
majority of cast decision to split points if the rabbit is seen by the majority
of cast. If the rabbit is not seen by the majority of the cast it must be
a unanimous decision to split points
b. Speed and Drive: Dogs to pursue rabbit as fast as scenting conditions
allow, but must exhibit good line control. Dog(s) observed to be
“running rough,” “cutting,” or “slashing” on track will be scratched on
second offense. Rough Running is defined as attempting to run the
front of the pack faster than scenting conditions allow or without regard
for the actual line. Routinely overshooting turns leading pack mates
astray. Cutting is defined as attempting to run the front by leaving the
trail to head off pack mates or avoiding heavy cover and other obstacles.
Slashing is defined as running in a hit or miss fashion as a result
of gambling and without regard for the actual line.
Judge to score dogs on speed and drive as rabbit is circled and seen by
a cast member. Dogs to be scored as they trail through the line at the
approximate location that rabbit is seen. It must be obvious that a dog is
NOT trailing in order to deny the dog on Speed and Drive. At time rabbit is
seen, Judge or majority of cast if hunting Judge is used, must decide whether
to allow dog(s) to continue on trail or pick up dog(s) in order to find new
ground or another rabbit. Speed and drive points are awarded in order that
dogs pass, splitting points when positions cannot be determined. After first
dog has been scored on Speed and Drive, there is a oneminute time limit
to score remaining dogs on that line. Dog(s) must be open on the majority
of chase in order to be scored. If allowed to continue on trail, score initial
strike points and each time rabbit is circled and seen, score speed and drive
only. Speed and drive may be scored three (3) times only on the same rabbit.
If loss occurs before completion of any additional circle, each dog
declared struck to be scored 50 minus points in the losses/recoveries column.
However, in case of split tracks, see rule 3(d). Otherwise, no dog(s) to
be called off a trail without those points being minused.
c. Losses and Recoveries: At point where dogs lose trail and become
quiet, Judge to start clock on dogs. After one minute has elapsed without
any dog opening, all struck dogs to be considered at a loss (check)
and minused 20 points. In case of split tracks, times to be kept separately
for checks on each track. First dog to open honestly, resulting in
reasonable forward progress to be awarded 20 points for recovering
the loss. Additional dogs opening after first dog, to receive no “recovery”
points. If no dog opens within three minutes, track to be considered
finished and that particular track must be minused. In case of running
rabbit in hole or place of refuge, see rule 3 (e) or rule 5 (a).
d. Additional Information: ALL HUNTERS, JUDGES AND/OR GUIDES
MUST BE DRAWN PUBLICLY FOR THEIR CASTS. Dogs will compete in
one class regardless of size or sex. However, dogs measuring over 15
inches may not be run. All dogs (except permanently measured dogs)
must be measured the day of the event before entering. Owners having
multiple entries will be drawn to separate casts if possible.
16. HUNTING AND NON-HUNTING JUDGES RULE CLARIFICATION.
Hunting or non-hunting Judges may be used on all casts including
Champions or Grands. The only exception is the Registered Winner’s Pack,
which must be judged by one or two non-hunting Judges. Unless otherwise
specially noted in the Upcoming Events listing, all casts will be judged by hunting
Judges. The host club has the right to assign a non-hunting Judge to any
cast. It is not acceptable to use some of each. One or the other type must be
used on all casts in a category. Casts which are in violation will be scratched.
In casts with a hunting Judge in which only one dog is left in cast, other
cast members are encouraged to stay with cast. If a hunting Judge scratches
his dog, he may continue to Judge the cast as a hunting Judge, or pass
the card to another member of the cast.
The decision of a non-hunting Judge may be questioned in the field at
the time the decision is made. It will be scored with a question mark and
taken to the Master of Hounds. The non-hunting Judge’s decision cannot
be overturned in the field by a majority vote of cast members.
The following procedure should be followed when using hunting Judges
on a cast regardless of category:
1. The host club must designate a hunting Judge for each cast from the
entries received.
2. The Hunting Judge has complete authority and will be responsible for
scoring all situations.
3. Should a situation arise where a handler questions a call that was
made, or a call that should have been made but wasn’t , that handler
may ask to have his question voted on by all cast members remaining
with the cast.
4. Majority of cast rules. Each handler must vote or their dog will be
scratched. If majority decision is not reached, leave the call as it was
scored by the Judge, place a “question mark” (?) on the card, and
check with the Master of Hounds. Any handler that is not satisfied with
the majority of cast decision retains the right to place a “question mark”
(?) on the card and present his question to the Master of Hounds.
5. If this procedure is not followed, question will not be considered
by the Master of Hounds.
17. Any person intimidating, threatening or injuring a hunter, Judge, Master of
Hounds, club official, or UKC representative:
a. Will be suspended for one year up to life from participating in any way
(including, but not limited to owner, handler, back-up handler, Judge,
Guide, spectator, Master of Hounds) in any UKC licensed event; and
b. Shall be disqualified from having any of their dogs receive any
Championship points for one year up to life; and
c. Shall be barred from registering any dogs in their name with UKC for
one year up to life. Details and procedures for handling this situation
are available from UKC However, UKC reserves unto itself, in its sole
judgement and discretion, the right to take such action and impose such
sanctions as it deems appropriate.
Copyright © 2006
by United Kennel Club, Inc. All Rights Reserved
UNITED KENNEL CLUB, INC.
Beagle Field Operations
100 E Kilgore Rd • Kalamazoo MI 49002-5584
(ALL LICENSES for UKC LICENSED Events shall be granted or
withheld in the sole discretion of United Kennel Club, Inc.)
Rev. 11/05/fo9bga

[back40]

"The hunting beagle format - would that be equal to progressive pack style or little pack style........?"



Joeyman,
Hunting Beagle would be Little Pack style hounds while Performance Pack could be described as slightly more conservative Little Pack style hounds.

[dmbarnes]

Wes, Actually Performance Pack hounds would best be described as tweeners. There are several ARHA PP Grands who have championed out in the UKC Performance Pack. The emphasis is on Line running ability and inside out check work. Performance Pack rewards the quick checks just like PP.

[Matt Glomski]

I personally dont know where everyone comes up with Performance Pack runs a stronger dog than Progressive Pack. In my opinion that is not the case. Do you relize the EXTREME competition this year in Performance Pack. Every hound was a REGISTERED dog. There were hounds of all titles being entered in one class. It was very fun to see how it panned out in 2006. If your hound does well in Progresive Pack then it will do well in Performance Pack. Dogs are Dogs. Look at Sundown Tess...Glomskis Finder...and the list goes on and on. MUTIPLE wins in UKC PP, UKC Hunting Beagle, and NKC Progressive Pack. Line control clean running hounds.

In my opinion Performance Pack is harder to stay on the ground than Progressive Pack. One you run for an hour and a half and still only get THREE minuses. Two you take a minus on every bad track that you open on, not just if you are the first hound to open on that track. You are pentalized more in Performance Pack for being mouthy.

UKC develpoped Performance Pack for those that run a more conservitive hound.

I like Performance Pack and Progressive Pack. The top hounds in those formats are my kind of dogs. I also like going to trials close to home and having UKC Performance Pack around gives me another opportunity to trial my hounds in another format close to home.

[back40]

Matt,
I think the reason most people think that "Performance Pack runs a stronger dog than Progressive Pack" is that a lot of the dogs that were running on "the edge" in Progressive Pack are now running Performance Pack. Plus some of the guys that switched over to Performance Pack say that they're running "tweeners" or "something between ARHA LP and ARHA PP".

Did you get much ice over your way?