I need clarification on this.I have heard multiple scenarios and it is not spelled out clearly in the rules.
If I don't want a hound to win can I scratch before they run the final cast and retain any score.I was told that if I scratch him for any reason I get zero points and no placement.I have no problem with that at all and think it is fair.But after reading all this HOY manipulation stuff I am wondering how it is possible to hold a hound back from winning without blatent cheating by colluding with the judge.My reason for asking is I have only one dog in the opens with his win at the home club.I rarely get to travel to trials so I am stuck but could get 10 more points at home.However I don't want to enter him and have him place 1-5 and basically steal points from someone else,whether a buddy or someone that drove maybe for hours to get there.
The entire HOY discussion makes me scratch my head.I cannot relate to the gamesmanship that goes on in trialing so I will stay out of that debate only to add that some of you sound like my kids in the backyard playing "calvin-ball"
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Isnt the whole point to enter a trial to win. I dont ever enter a trial and say I hope I only finish 6 beacause I only need 10 points. If your dog was better than mine that day but you scratched him and allowed me to finish higher then you I would not accept it. I would be ashamed of winning if my dog wasnt better that day.
AND FURTHER MORE PEOPLE CHEAT ALL THE darn TIME JUST TO WIN AND YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHO YOU ARE I BET THAT MAKES YOU GUYS FEEL REAL GOOD TO HAVE THOSE HIGH DOLLAR DOGS AND HAVE TO CHEAT OR BUDDY JUDGE
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WOW MOUNTAIN SOUNDS LIKE U HAVE SOME REAL ISSUES THERE LOL. just take a deeep breathe it will be ok.. sure some folks have helped there cause by being buddy judged but u cant enjoy that . if i winn i wanna earn it plain and simple...want my dog to be there best diog that day.,matt my feeling are the same i wouldnt enter a dog i didnt feel had a chance to win.OK NOW HAVEING SAID THAt..not good on this part of trialing but i didnt think u could advance a dog to a placement another dog had been scratched at.
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IM NOT FIRED UP PREACH I RUN WHAT I BRING AND IF HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH I DONT EVER ARGUE I KNOW WHAT HE IS AND WHAT HE CAN DO AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS BUT I AM JUST SAYIN THAT THERE IS ALOT OF BUDDY JUDGIN
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i don't trial right now because my health won't allow me . but any way i feel if you have a dog that only need's 1 win to move up to the next class. and you take your dog to a hunt and he's going out for the last time . that day for 1 or 2 and you don't wan't him moving up because of the world coming up . and this happen's i've seen it so instead of scratching him to keep him a lower class. just leave him home that way the guy that got 6th may have gottin 5th and qualified for the world. if you bring him to a hunt and he's that good take your 1st and move up to the next class.
does the two hour rule apply in little pack? in other words, if the dog has run and won two rounds, can the dog be scratched from winners pack and still place? just curious, thanks
Big Mike wrote:does the two hour rule apply in little pack? in other words, if the dog has run and won two rounds, can the dog be scratched from winners pack and still place? just curious, thanks
no. once you scratch your dog you forfeit all the points and placement for the day.
WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS WHEN PEOPLE BRING A DOG TO A HUNT,THEN SIGN IT UP,AND THEN SCRATCH IT BEFORE THE DOGS ARE EVEN ROLLED OUT,WHY SHOULD THAT DOG GENERATE POINTS TOWARDS HOY?
SHOULDN'T THAT DOG ATLEAST BE REQUIRED TO RUN AN HOUR BEFORE IT IS CONSIDERED A POINT?
LET ME CLARIFY
EXAMPLE:
FRED IS RUNNIN OL BLUE FOR THE HOY,HE SHOWS UP WITH EVERY DOG IN HIS KENNEL,10 DOGS TOTAL,FRED SIGNS THE DOGS UP,THEN SCRATCHES ALL BUT OL BLUE,WELL THEN BLUE PLACES IN THE HUNT AND RECIEVES POINTS FOR THE 9 DOGS HE SCRATCHED,NONE OF THEM 9 EVER SHOWED UP TO THE STAKES OR EVEN WHERE GIVIN NUMBERS FOR THE ROLLING OF CASTS.
SHOULDN'T THEM 9 DOGS HAVE HAD TO AT LEAST SHOW AT THE STAKES OR IN THE FIELD TO BE COUNTED?
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mountain mafia wrote:IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU THAT THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT A HIGHER PLACEMENT FROM SOMEONE ELSE SCRATCHING THERE DOG THEY ARE SO FULL OF S- H- I- T
mountain mafia wrote:IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU THAT THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT A HIGHER PLACEMENT FROM SOMEONE ELSE SCRATCHING THERE DOG THEY ARE SO FULL OF S- H- I- T
I've watched it happen.
Exactly. There are some people out there with integrity that like to compete but are not hung up on trophies and bragging rights. These are the guys who can get beat without griping about getting cheated. They like to win, but can handle losing with grace. They don't need to toot their own horn.
