The American Beagler Forum

I got a letter n the mall today i guess everone that is a sec, n clubs did, talkin bout thangs that needed to be tidied up and dusted off.... one of the thags on there was....

1.ONCE AGAIN OUR RULES PLAINLY STATE THAT A BEAGLE OVER 15 IN WILL BE DISQYALIFIED..STOP RUNING DOGS OVER 15 IN!! YOU ARE NOT IMPROVEING THE BREED OR THE ORGANIZATION BY RUNING DOGS OVER THE HEIGHT LIMIT..IF YOU ARE CAUGHT RUNING DOGS OVER 15 INS ARE TITLES AND POINTES WILL BE PULLED...

The question i have is if a dog wins the world hunt and a few big 5's and makes a grand, and u take him to a hunt and he makes it to the final round and someone ask for him to be messured and he messures out, does the dog lose his titles and points? that he has earned n the past yearS?

the way your letter reads it sounds like that is exactly what they are saying..people will still do it tho..it aint gonna stop..

Chris i also got the letter and that is how i understand it but the rules state that the must be measured out 3 times to be banned from arha so i dont know what will become of this the problem i have with it is this what if you are at a hunt and the breed inspector is your worst enemy he could ruin your champ or grand from hall of fame real quick.So i dont but i do know this i will not be running anything over 15 in.Rules are rules and it just aint worth

The letter from arha has pretty much decidedfor me, I won`t be going to any more trials.
If the Little dogs cain`t compete with the big dogs ,,,leave um home.
Big dog`s don`t hurt the trials!!!
That title does not run a rabbit. One hour every so often does not mean you have a great dog.
When I started runnin with field trial folks, I learned a new word,,, popin off. I`ve been out with field trial champions,
they wouldn`t hunt, they would POP OFF, when i ran in the fox trials we called it babblin, they were scratched and picked up.
I run PATCH dogs the only title their gonna have is the one i give them is fast faster fastest or pushin up daises,
Bring um on down run in my briars. If they ain`t nocount we got a bone yard for um.
cheroke40@yahoo.com
chuck r

I am President of a PP Club and our Secretary read me most of that letter over the phone this afternoon. I believe it had 14 parts. I am a breed inspector and I will not sign a registration if the dog is over 15". I have had two go over and both times the Master of Hounds was asked to measure the hound and he agreed both times that the hound was too tall. Further, I am a certification judge and I will not help certify a dog over 15". PP is policing themselves pretty well and the problem in our division should pretty much go away on its own if no one is dishonest at the measuring stand! Plus, our competitors will ask to have a hound measured (if they think it can beat their hound - LOL!). Most of the other rules I could go along with. The 120 day notice for a trial is a bit long. I think 90 should be sufficient. I guess the one I dislike the most is checking the registration and certification certificates of every dog. This along with having to list sire and dam is going to make sign in an even bigger headache. Heck, we are luck if the owners all know the registration numbers! Personally, I think it will lead to a lot of lost/damaged paperwork and requests for replacements but that is Ms. Joyce's headache not mine! Time will tell - it probably will not be the last letter we get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Measure em ALL!!!!

That is why arha/nkc should run 15 in and 13 in dogs. If a hound is over 13 it can run in 15, but if a dog is over 15, well you are SOL. AKC has at least 60 to 80+ hounds each trial, but they are broken up into 15 and 13 inch dogs. It makes the running fair, because you are running comparable sizes. You don't see a 150 pound Fighter fighting a 250 pound fighter. You don't see a stock Nova Racing a Built to the hilt Nova. You would eliminate alot of the(swinging, cutting, and skirting) that most people complain about if you ran more compatible hounds. The hunts would be as big and the running would probably be better. Of course, this is only a opinion! Aslo try to get judges in advance. It would not be as hard as you think.

chuck r wrote:The letter from arha has pretty much decidedfor me, I won`t be going to any more trials.
If the Little dogs cain`t compete with the big dogs ,,,leave um home.
Big dog`s don`t hurt the trials!!!
That title does not run a rabbit. One hour every so often does not mean you have a great dog.
When I started runnin with field trial folks, I learned a new word,,, popin off. I`ve been out with field trial champions,
they wouldn`t hunt, they would POP OFF, when i ran in the fox trials we called it babblin, they were scratched and picked up.
I run PATCH dogs the only title their gonna have is the one i give them is fast faster fastest or pushin up daises,
Bring um on down run in my briars. If they ain`t nocount we got a bone yard for um.
cheroke40@yahoo.com
chuck r

Trialing and breeding dogs that are over 15" does hurt the breed, if you were to allow this trend to continue why not just run Walker hounds along with beagles? What is a greyhound was a good rabbit hunter why not trial him. It is important for breed standards to be held, that is why a beagle continues to look like a beagle for many years to come.

I have a mouthy dog. Will you all that allow over 15 inch hounds allow my mouthy dog to stay in the hunt??????????? He will win if you don't scratch him, he is a good one just mouthy but no differnet that a good one over 15 inch.

i like the rule myself i have seen a few horses at some of these trials i asked the owners if they broughtt the saddle only to get a dirty look lol. i never been beat because of size ,, but rules a re rules if you speed and get a ticket dont fuss you did it to yourself. i got no need for anything over 15 since i trial and hunt .. if ur not a trialer it dont even apply to you so do as you will.

Back to the orig,post. yoy are not improving the breed!!!!!!!!
How on earth do you think you are improveing the breed by, popin off one hour dogs???
I`d much rather listen to hound that when he opens the rabbit is runnin, than a bunch a poppin off before they jump or after a loss tryin to find it.
Just my opinion, you know what they say. Ever body has one .

I do like all the comments though come run.

if you are running a dog over 15 you know what you are chancing..personally i could care less what size dog i run against..however the rules are nothing over 15 and if you get caught you shouldnt be surprised cause you know your dog is too big..like it or not the rules are the rules..leave your 16 inch hounds at home and you wont have any worries..tracy

I do agree there are some mouthy dogs in trails but classify all trail dogs are that way and they cam run only one hour is wrong. but i know that some think that is what a trail hound is i have guys call me and ask do i have any true rabbit dogs that i would sell and they do not want a trail dog well to me that is just silly because i believe a persons trail dog should be their very best rabbit dog they have..

Seems pretty simple. Measure before they run. Then you have no problems after deadline .

If you cant follow the rules then you have no business running in trial hunts! AKC UKC ARHA NKC all have a 15 inch limit, its been this way for years so why should they change it now?