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What are the speeds of some of the field trials ? like spo , lp ? ugbf????? rbinford1

Lets get it started, If you are talking about LP on hare speed for most parts these days
"Wild and Crazy and out of control need to pic your judges carefully
spo is variable depending on what part of the country you run in
Ubgf not worth mentioning

Have at it !!

John Otruba
518-494-3247

fulcount wrote:Lets get it started, If you are talking about LP on hare speed for most parts these days
"Wild and Crazy and out of control need to pic your judges carefully
spo is variable depending on what part of the country you run in
Ubgf not worth mentioning

Have at it !!

John Otruba
518-494-3247

I most definitely "am not" trying to promote the UBGF, but everyone has to realize the UBGF "dwarfs" all other AKC beagle federations, and might be the largest beagle federation in the world. The UBGF is growing when other registries and federations aren't. This is the facts! The facts shouldn't be ignored, and they must be "mentioned" unless you want people to believe lies.

AKC Mid West Clubs have closed and dropped in popularity rapidly in the last 15 years. Why?

ARHA (NKC) clubs are constantly popping up and closing all the time. I call them "fly by night clubs".

UKC beagle clubs are basically in the same ball park as the ARHA clubs.

All mention above are un-argument-ably the facts!

And for everyone's information I haven't ran in a UBGF event for around 2-yrs.

I most definitely "am not" trying to promote the UBGF, but everyone has to realize the UBGF "dwarfs" all other AKC beagle federations, and might be the largest beagle federation in the world. The UBGF is growing when other registries and federations aren't. This is the facts! The fact shouldn't be ignored, and it must be "mentioned" unless you want people to believe lies.[/quote]


Why do you think that is? Just curious.

Brian, I don't feel comfortable answering your question on a public site. If "anyone" want my opinion feel free to call me.

Jim Heasley
Marion, IN
765-674-3791

Keystone
Lets have some facts and figures on the growth of the ubgf!
I would rather believe that the SPO is the faster growing type trial at this time
nationwide

The Large Pack dogs probably run the fastest during their trials and some of that has to do with the fact that most of their trials [not all ] are run on big running rabbits like swampers and hare. When running in a class of 30-40 hounds you better have a dog that can stay up in the front. I enjoy the Large Pack trials but I also feel that the format has the least to do with actual "hunting" dogs of any of them.
I think the S.P.O. format has the best format for actually judging hunting beagles but like someone else mentioned it can vary a WHOLE lot depending on what federation you are running in.The Mid-West Beagle Gundog Assoc. runs a footy,hard hitting hound but they also require them to run it pretty clean.My experience watching U.B.G.F. hounds is that they want them to be VERY conservative,VERY close,they have to slot up in a pack which seems to be that that would mean not too competitive and the style they want them running means they run at a medium speed.
Many of the A.R.H.A. Little Pack hounds can be any where from upper medium speed to fast.I think more A.R.H.A. L.P. competitors tend to be hard core gun hunters than what I've observed in the A.K.C. trialing fraternity.A lot of these hounds are what I would call "meat" hounds as most don't care that much about the "style" that the hound has but dead rabbits as a result.
The reason that U.B.G.F. is so big? Everyone needs a hobby.......

I have found a home in the Midwest Association (SPO). I think they promote style dogs that I like to run, fast, hard hitting, clean, with line control. As far as little pack, they normally run fast hounds but normally are wild and create a lot breakdowns.(NOT SAYING ALL DO, BUT OVERALL) As far as the UGBF speed, I would say medium speed is little much. I would call it more of a walk. I am not trying to say that Midwest is the best. Run what you like!!! Thats why there are all these different associations.

Keystone Kid wrote: I most definitely "am not" trying to promote the UBGF, but everyone has to realize the UBGF "dwarfs" all other AKC beagle federations, and might be the largest beagle federation in the world. The UBGF is growing when other registries and federations aren't. This is the facts! The facts shouldn't be ignored, and they must be "mentioned" unless you want people to believe lies.

AKC Mid West Clubs have closed and dropped in popularity rapidly in the last 15 years. Why?

ARHA (NKC) clubs are constantly popping up and closing all the time. I call them "fly by night clubs".

UKC beagle clubs are basically in the same ball park as the ARHA clubs.

All mention above are un-argument-ably the facts!

And for everyone's information I haven't ran in a UBGF event for around 2-yrs.

Gee Keystone that sounds like a totally unbiased opinion. I bet you are a very open minded person who can see others points of view. I believe the question was asked as to the speed of the dogs or style of the dogs not the merit of different organazitions.

Gabe Miskimen

it all depends on who is judging in the mid-west on the line control. i have run the mid-west for alot of years, and i can count on one 1 hand of how many good winners packs i have seen. i think they let them get pretty rough.

AKC Mid West Clubs have closed and dropped in popularity rapidly in the last 15 years. Why?

Apparently its been quite some time since you have attended a midwest trial.

it all depends on who is judging in the mid-west on the line control. i have run the mid-west for alot of years, and i can count on one 1 hand of how many good winners packs i have seen. i think they let them get pretty rough

Ron you are right. It does depend on whos judging sometimes, but overall most of the judges will pick up the rough ones.

Anyway, like I said before, thats why there are so many different clubs and organizations. If you don't like the midwest dont run it, if you don't like arha, dont run it, if you don't like UKC don't run it, and so on and so on!!!!!!!!!!! I'm pretty sure this guy was just curious about the speed of some of the different formats anyway.

Ron Conroe wrote:it all depends on who is judging in the mid-west on the line control. i have run the mid-west for alot of years, and i can count on one 1 hand of how many good winners packs i have seen. i think they let them get pretty rough.

Ron, I think this is a unfair statement. I seen your winners pack at our trial, and they never circled a rabbit. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I've seen some very nice winners Packs. IIMO the Mid-West promotes a dog with control and speed.

Midwest--------------------------------------------------------------------------Ubgf. Both AKC, both run SPO. Neither could compete in the others association. I believe use the same rulebook. Now as far as speed, is there any middle ground? By middle ground I mean a dog that is too hard for UBGF but not enough for Midwest. Seems they are on both ends, just wondered what lies in the middle.

Neither could compete in the others association.

I'm pretty sure there have been several Midwest FC's that have made arha Little pack champions, UKC champions, and won in Large Pack trials. The UGBF dogs probably couldn't compete in any other format. As far as a middle ground, I am not sure. I think that some of the more southern AKC clubs run more of a true medium speed dog but like I said I'm not 100% sure on that.

The Ubgf runs a slower style dog than the midwest slow medium to medium speed where the midwest is faster more hard hitting type of dog probably the result of the influx of northern hare blood lines.Don't know anything about ARHA trials or what speed they run.Irun a midwest style dog and to me a true gundog. As far as both ubgf and midwest all dogs have checks and if i can get the check and be gone before you get there why would i not want the faster dog??.Biggest problem with speed is more foot than brains. As far as the winners packs at midwest trials most of the winners packs i have personally seen could lock on and run the hell out of a rabbit.Yes it does all depend on who is judging but to me the biggest problem is you have to pick a winner no matter what shows up to run,can't withhold places because they can't circle a rabbit just an opinion Donald