Puppies, Breeding and MONEY????

[Bev]

I think Fetching Pixels just means she isn't into what we do - breeding or trialing beagles - she just loves the breed of dog and that makes her welcomed here. For her, she can get what makes her happy at the shelters. It gets the dog out of the shelter, and it gives her a beagle. Sounds like a win-win to me.

Sad fact of life is that many beagles that are sold as pets are not sold with the insruction manual that clearly states, "Name this dog Houdini, because it WILL find a way to escape." Most first-time beagle pet owners don't realize what a housing/kenneling challenge a beagle can be compared to other dogs, such as labs, westies, Lhasa's, etc, dogs that like to stay in your lap or under your feet. The result is that the shelters end up with a high percentage of beagles.

My competition beagles have always been well-bred (IMO) pedigreed hounds except for a couple of grade beagles early on. My house dogs over the years have always been shelter rescues, and only one had some beagle in her.

[bill (flint river )]

i dont judge a man for his breeding practise. but i will not buy a pup from a brood femal who was never started. thos are the dog trader that are not out to help any thing but there pocket book.

[Keystone Kid]

I think we live in America, and if it isnt illegal, then buy,sell, breed what you want.
bettering the breed is horse crap. Put 10 people together with 10 different good dogs in there own way they wont half of them like the same dog.

Who decides what is better for the breed? Gunhunters Down South who like lower Medium speed dogs? Hare runners up north who dont mind quite a bit of cold trailing? Or the guy who likes them so tight mouthed they cant run a rabbit when scenting is tuff?The show breeder who only worries about a big show?

Breed or Buy what you like, and dont sweat what everybody else is doing.

By your statement you made, you are saying “lets have anarchy in the world of “Registered Beagles”.

I will admit there are differences of opinions in judging. But “good judges” get a good name as well as the “bad ones” get a bad name. More often than not it’s not the judge that’s bad, it’s the kennel blind Beagler that can’t see the truth. This comes from someone taking what their dogs do in the field way to personal.

I will admit, “I’m not the norm in the Competition Beagler World”. I first like to see a beagle that has good hunt. Ninety percent of the time or higher I breed to a Stud with a field champion status, but he’s known for producing hunt, and or has exceptionally good hunt built in his pedigree. But finally after 23 years of hunting, competing, and raising AKC Registered Beagles I came up with an AKC field champion of my own that fits in well in my kennel. I purchased him at half price because of a well-known Beagler was getting out of the sport. Don’t get me wrong, I still paid $3,000 + for him. I won’t be driving far off to breed anymore, at least not as often.

[DedRabbits]

FetchingPixels I read your post a couple of times and I didn't understand what you meant. Might have beena typo there or something. I wasn't trying to upset you or start anything. Sorry.

[xdawg]

Well personally (and i'm apart of this myself) think that alot of us run around like crazy trying to breed to a name when if we took the time we spend planning our crosses and actually just got out in the field with some lessor known studs we'd find out alot of these dogs are the same and can produce the same. For me, i breed for hunt first and foremost. Past that, i believe its what you do with them....

To each his own, there is no perfect beagle, if you don't want to raise a litter fine, just don't hark on another man if he does... Cull if you wish, i choose not to. If the hound is physically fit but is just not what i want in the feild i'll move it, maybe what i dislike someone else will like. If the hound has any physical faults i'll give it away (no paperwork) with the deal its to be fixed or fix it myself...

-Jack

[beagle crazy]

To each his own, there is no perfect beagle, if you don't want to raise a litter fine, just don't hark on another man if he does... Cull if you wish, i choose not to. If the hound is physically fit but is just not what i want in the feild i'll move it, maybe what i dislike someone else will like. If the hound has any physical faults i'll give it away (no paperwork) with the deal its to be fixed or fix it myself...

-Jack

VERY WELL PUT!
But there are those out there who seem only to breed to make money I've got a shelter beagle who can run with the best of them-just can't trial her cause she has no papers but that doesn't make her any less a good rabbit dog. As has been said before, run what YOU like. Keep what YOU like in YOUR kennel--and "don't hark on another man" for what he runs or has in his kennel.

[DedRabbits]

beagle crazy, why not single register your dog. If she's good you might have fun trialing, and probably meet some good folks too.

[xdawg]

But there are those out there who seem only to breed to make money

I know there are some out there breeding alot, but for myself, one litter a year.... i could ask $400 a pup and still not break even. Anymore i'm giving a 5-1, 7-1, and Kennel Cough before they leave. And worm them from the 2nd week on... Between bruc test fees, gas, stud fees, preg. supplies, and then meds for the puppys there is no money to be made for the backyard breeder.... I look at it as being my vice... I don't have many hobbies i actually spend money on so why not DOGS? I just hope to better my own line of dogs with my once a year breedings...

Jack

[beagle crazy]

She's too tall to register ARHA.
I have other hounds I field trial with though.
And I crossed my ARHA LPRCh, who is getting on in years, with an untitled but great dog in hopes of having offspring who is as good or better than the parents. I sold one of the 4 pups to another trialer and still have the other 3. Having trouble deciding which one to sell--I like them all and they all seem like they are gonna turn out to be very good dogs. But I can't keep them all although I'd sure like to.

[DedRabbits]

Who decides what is better for the breed?

I think this is really the only question that needs to answered. Why do I need to be told what's best for me. Can't I decide what to do about my beagles? Just because on a certain day, with the right rabbit, and the right judge, a dog makes champion, and now he's the dog to breed to? The posts on the subject aren't going to affect the number of backyard breedings that go on. There will most likely be just as many this year, as last. I don't trial, but I run some dogs that do a hell of a job on rabbits. There are a couple of guys around here that have good dogs as well that I'll probably breed to in the future, and they aren't trialed either. I can see that this horse is just about dead, but we can beat it some more.

[Duke]

I started the thread so that it created a discussion on the amount of breedings, why and how much beagles cost. The reality is a hound that wins the LP World is seen by many judges beats a ton of dogs, in front of a gallery and is probably a pretty fine hound(I dont have one) There may be some hounds that make champion by getting some breaks by buddy judging, but it does not happen as often as most people think. Most forums will clean up the problems or they lose credibility and then people stop going. Guys who knock some of the hounds that have won in their particular field for several years are just not being realistic, just as anyone who thinks there are not some very good hunting dogs out there without papers.

The thread is not about trial hounds verses hunting dogs. It is about the caliber of hounds and what they are really worth. It about why we breed? Its a discussion to spark thought on what we are doing when buying, breeding and purchasing hounds and what we intend to accomplish.

Remember anything planned out and thought about usually ends up better in the long run than, rash, random actions.,

I believe in carrying on good genetic traits. I run faster style hounds and buy puppies or breed for puppies to get the best I can and do not mind spending a little more, because I usually end up with a little more. Its not about style or grade vs registered or hunting verses trial hounds. Personally I think we have a whole lot of breedings that need not be made and probably end up in shelters ect....

In the end when I get older I will probalbly get into slower hounds maybe they will walk out a trail, but I will try to find the hounds that walk that trail out right and be willing to pay a little more for the best little walker I can find and the higher percentage return.

[DedRabbits]

Well Duke, I must be slowing down, because the light just came on. Took long enough I guess.I understand what your saying, and a lot of it makes sense. It was a good post, and a lot of folks shared their ideas about it. There are some people out there breeding dogs that are totally different breeds, and making a hell of a lot of money on them. I don't agree with that, but it's going to happen anyhow, so what do you do? Yeah, a lot of beagles get bred every year, but I don't think that's going to stop either. I don't think just breeding 2 hounds just to have a litter to sell is anything I would do, but there again, it's going to happen. I guess I'll just keep hunting and buy good started dogs when I need them, just like I've been doing. Take care, and good luck with your hounds.

[MDH68]

All I can say is thank god for the guys out there that are selling dogs for $50. Because if the price of beagles starts to go up it will be a rich mans game and look what that has done to some of the bird dogs. Just because your dog has a title on it or your selling it for a high price doesnt mean your a responsible breeder or it will be the next world beater.

Mike

[DedRabbits]

[Rabbithoundjb]

To me this is a sport it should be about the dogs and not the money. The shame of it is there are a lot of people breeding papers and selling papers not a quality hound. I have seen a lot of high dollar puppies and dogs that were not even good much less worth the price tag on them, in fact I've only seen a few that were worth the money. As I have said on here before I prefer grade dogs because they are bred by rabbit hunters off of rabbit dogs. There are some good registered dogs out there I'm sure but excepional dogs are not for sale and a lot of what I see with the registered dogs is just plain dog dealing. Too much deception, paper blindness and just plain outrageous hype. We really can't believe that someone is going to pay the same for a beagle pup when they are caring for a pack verses someone with plenty of money paying for and caring for one shitzu. It's nice to get some return on your money but not take advantage of people. Honesty and integrity that's what is missing.