run em over tank

[Guest]

tank dogs are way to slow and hunt to slow for me ..i have run with some in ny that did ok for spo and some in PA that were rocky ridge line out of tank,these were way to slow and mouthy for me,just an opinon . hunt what suits u ,as long as you are happy with your dogs that is all that matters,

i hope i did not offend anyone just wanted to help this guy out with what ive seen

[Guest]

Guest what format did you run with one of my dogs, just curious, never said we had the fastest dogs out their, In fact we don't. They do have plenty enough speed to run UKC, and pretty much any format out their. Remember, speed isn't everything, they have to be able to control it. As far as being mouthy, well I can say they are not tight mouthed, but they are not mouthy.

To the person who started this post, you will have a nice dog. Keep working with him. He should hunt hard, have good line control, be very smart, and have all the foot that you need to run a rabbit. I have breed to tank twice with the same female, she has had 12 pups - 9 of which is either a UKC champion or Grand and all 12 of them are rabbit dogs. You will hear some negative coments about Tank as you hear about other dogs that have made an impact on beagles and feild trialing, that is just Jealousy!!!!!!

And Tom G. I would really like to know what dogs you were not impressed with.

Ryan Ware
Rocky Ridge Beagles

[Guest]

Tom,
I'm just curious, if you say your not impressed with the tank dogs you've ran with.....just what is your opinion on your own dogs........ I don't run anybody's dogs down....but the times I've run against you and my other friends have run against you with their tank dogs......I believe they've gotten the best of your dog(s) most of the time. Maybe you should think before you open your mouth.......or maybe you just haven't been around the UKC side of things long enough.

Kurt P.

[lonewolf]

well i will tell you right now my tank male is by no means slow he can drive a rabbit with very a good pace,as far as mouth he is not tight mouthed or mouthy, this male does not open till rabbit is up and in the check he is quite till he heads out with it,,,,i my self think the tank line of hounds has some of the best line and nose and brains,,,,,i know what my hound is i wasnt asking about him and i have heard from enuf people to tell me he is a good medium speed and if you got brains,nose and common sence you dont need blistering speed,,,,,,,,,kinda like i say in deer hunting,,,,,id rather have a slow kill instead of a fast miss,,,,,,,

[guest 211]

i dont like getting frozen while waiting for a rabbit to circle with these slow dogs , get some branko dogs !!! anyone who wants to breed to what seems to be a slow dog like tank must want slow dogs ,i guess if u want slow dogs then u made the right move. i recomend larsens breeding also


these tank dogs are just decent gun dogs to me but nothing u would dominate the field trials with. to the starter of this thread good luck with your dogs.

do u own tank mr. ware?? i seen u are defensive about T gunther post,im not trying to start anything just curious?

looks like u have done well with your dogs with all those hbch's?

[lonewolf]

well mr guest 211,,, do you have branko bred hounds,if so whats thiere pedigrees,,,,,,

[tommyg]

Tom,
I'm just curious, if you say your not impressed with the tank dogs you've ran with.....just what is your opinion on your own dogs........ I don't run anybody's dogs down....but the times I've run against you and my other friends have run against you with their tank dogs......I believe they've gotten the best of your dog(s) most of the time. Maybe you should think before you open your mouth.......or maybe you just haven't been around the UKC side of things long enough.

Kurt P.

Kurt and Ryan why so huffy? Was I talking about your hounds,no. There are more Tank hounds out there. I don't mean to offend you but thats my openion,and Kurt we'll put em in the brush any time. Given a fair shake Dixie will do real well against any of them. Kurt if you need to get something off your chest call(304 765 7278)this is real not the place to argue,like I said it was my openion and it still is.

[lonewolf]

tommy who you talking to me or guest,,,,,,,

[tommyg]

Guest,I know them. Kurt ryan you guys need to mellow,I'm not running down your hounds. I have ran with one Tank hound that you ran Ryan that I didn't like and you know the one. Kurt don't know what your problem is,like I said anytime.

[Guest]

Tommy G.

No, I don't need to get something off my chest, and yes, I'm sure your dog would do fine against any of our dogs.......but I would take that bet anytime. I have run with you in field trials a few times Tom, and you have been great to run with in any cast I can think of.........and I'm sure you should feel the same about me cause' we haven't had problems. The only problem I have is with your initial statement you posted on the board. You say you're not directing that toward our dogs.......but that seems funny, seeing how we're basicly the only kennel in North Cent. WV that run Tank dogs. I'm extremely offended by your comments for this reason. I may not like anything out of the mt. state bloodline that you run, but I wouldn't post it on one of these internet boards for everyone to see. Actually, I don't know where you gathered that this line of dogs don't hunt, and are slow, to begin with. In the last cast I run with you, I believe my dog jumped all but one rabbit........and your dog did jump the other.......not taking anything away from her. But I guess my dog just bumped into all those rabbits by accident huh. I can also say that I haven't ever had to put the clock on one of my dogs for not hunting. I also take offense to that because I would put my GRHBCH up against anything on hunting and jumping rabbits. Granted, they aren't "blistering" fast.....but they'll get ya 2nd and 3rd lines all day....plus a few that those "really fast" dogs overrun by 20 yards. I'll take that anyday in a competition trial....and you would too.

So basically what I'm getting at Tom, is that if you don't have anything good to say.....just don't say nothing at all!!

And to guest 211......yes we have done well with our hounds.....I'll give ya the breakdown
4- GRHBCH's
5- HBCH's >>one of which is 1 cast win away from GRHBCH
1- Junior male Pedigree challenge series winner
1- Junior male Pedigree challenge series Runner-up
1- Junior female Pedigree challenge series Runner-up (by tie-break)
and so on, and so on........not bad for a bunch of slow hounds that won't hunt huh.

Kurt Pomraning
Rocky Ridge Beagles

[Guest]

Guest211 - I do not own Tank, but know Dan Brinsky well. Tank has sired a lot of Champions and Grands for our kennel, and I am not going to let people rum him down. Tank is not a speed demon, if you like speed, like you said, don't breed to him. Tank isn't perfect by no means, but if you want to make an opinion on a dog, I feel that you should state the good and bad facts about the dog and his offspring. NOT JUST BAD, because with tanks trial record (AKC and UKC Champion, ARHA Grand, 3 ARHA U.S. Championships, Purina Hound of the Year Winner, Ect. and with over 30 of his Pups finishing into champion in all 3 registeries) there is probably a small chance that Tank has some good qualities about him. So I will say when Lonewolf posted this topic, by all means let him know tanks BAD qualities, but also state his good ones. And Tommy G. runs runs with us in WV, he is at all the same feild trials and I was curious which of the Tank dogs he has ran with that he wasn't impressed with.

Tommy G. - You stated that you ran with some Tank dogs and wern't impressed-Lacked hunt and speed. Well Dogs means more than one. I definatly know the Tank pup that you were speaking off- He doesn't lack any hunt and speed, just a little mouthy. Just curious which Tank dogs you were not impressed with, I really don't think that there are an abundance of Tank pups that run UKC in northern WV. So I narrowed it down myself, if there are other Tank pups in this area please let me know. I would really like to run with them. But I am pretty sure that I know of 90% of the Tank dogs in our area, heck they came from our Kennel. I know that you have ran with Kurt, Steve, and Clint with their Tanks pups, and I know that their dogs definatly do not lack any hunt, and are not taking last lines, so why post such a negative comment. Your post stated that you have ran with tank pups and they lacked hunt and speed. So I took it that you meant all of the Tank pups that you ran with. If you were not impressed well that is your opinion and that doesn't bother me a bit, but don't state that they lacked any hunt. The only person that has to be impressed with their dogs are their owners. So I would like this discussion to be closed between us. You have always been a pleasure to run with.

Joe Tomino - My email is Rware20@hotmail.com - I tried to call you back, get a hold of me.


Ryan Ware
Rocky Ridge Beagles

[bullboy]

this is why i don't trial ukc anymore everyone 's shorts are just wound to tight look at all the bs on ukc's board all you guys need to leave your dogs in the box and go in the bush yourselves ukc reputation is starting to fall because of all the bickering among you all i will not take my two young sons to a ukc trial everyone seems to have a chip on there sholder and i dont want to subject them to this ukc isent working where i live and there is a reason for this its a few people with a attatude thank you bullboy

[Guest]

Bullboy - My initial comment was just asking which one of these dogs Tom was not impressed with. Nothing else, if you felt someone was making a direct comment about your dogs, I would hope that you would defend them. I am sure that you have spent those long hours in the woods with your dogs, and wouldn't want anybody to give any misconceptions about them. I did not get defensive, untill our kennel was brought up. I fully know that we have a lot of work to do with our dogs, just like everyone else does with theirs. I feel that if you own the best dogs ever, that person should strive to breed better pups. I have never really made a post on this board or the UKC message board. And you are right, UKC isn't perfect, but can you say that any registery is. They all have there good and bad points. I like UKC the best, because it is the registery that suits me the best. Most of the time, there is not any bickering, everyone has a good time in their casts. I hope that UKC gets better where you live, but if not and there is arguing going on, I don't blame you for not wanting to subject you kids to it. I definatly don't have a chip on my shoulder, I was mearly asking a question, and if that question came across wrong, I probably shouldn't have ask it at all!! Sorry if I offended anyone and Tom no hard feelings here, I was really curious after you posted your comment.


Ryan Ware
Rocky Ridge Beagles

[steve morgan]

Kurt, I think you left out a few more things about how well the rocky ridge tank dogs have done in competition such as placing third & tenth at ukc world hunts, a fourth at the eliminator and another third in the ukc national championship. They have won over 15 state champion casts and also have placed in ten differrent states in both ukc and akc formats. I'm not trying to get on this board and brag about our tank dogs but to just state some facts to the originator of this post about how well tank is as a reproducer. Steve Morgan Rocky Ridge Beagles

[Guest]

from what I hear handlers won alot of those casts steve!