Proposed Rule Changes in NKC Little pAck

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

i bet most of u know someone with a gunshy champion that is rediculous.!ceritfy!!
so yellow u say the dog that drives out should have the check.. what if the dog that drove out with it another dog started whimpering or barking a bit and was makeing forward progress but another dog comes in grabs it and goes . to me the dog that found it and was moveing however slowly was the winner of the check !caUSE THE other dog may not ever found it if it hadnt been for him!

[yellowdog]

hard to make that call red...alot of babblers babble around in the check area....the dog that grabs it and drives it out should recieve the points in my mind....if a hound yips around at the strike recieves minus points for not producing why should a dog that boo hoos in a check get plus points for that?

[Collins Country]

BABBLERS DONT MAKE FORWARD PROGRESS AND IF THEY DO AND LEAD DOGS OUT OF THE CHECK ARE THEY ARE MINUSED 10 FOR PULL OUT OF CHECH AREA.

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

wait a sec now i had the dog makeing progress not just barking and goin nowhere.!just cause its not makeing as fast a progress as the other dog didnt mean it didnt have it!the RULE SAYS makeing forward progress it isnt makeing progress then it s bablin !

[yellowdog]

then i misunder stood red...the dog making progress out of the check should be scored....although i have seen it done otherwise it is human nature to score the one that blows out of the check and has it locked in

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

Seems as though the guys against this are the same ol good ol boys that finish them dogs at hunts that got 15 dogs . Little pack is for a faster type check hound, not the dog that cant jump rabbits and circle em . Get on the wagon boys cuz you are getting ready to get left . The good ol days are over . Todays lp hounds hunt harder run harder check harder and run much better line . The days of Mr. pathwalker steal some checks and win a cast are over . I for one am glad to see it gone . Lets get them hard drivin Hard hunting 15 inch dogs out there and see whats really going on.
Anyone can champion a dog in there back yard , get him some exposure .
Better catch up boys or you are gonna get left behind JMHO really

[Collins Country]

well thats like a man at the world was showing his hound to a vendor and bragging on the dog. he then sad he would probably not do good this time because he ran something thru his foot, the vendor told him that was red mange. he grabbed up his dog and left.

the point is alot of these dogs get bragged up and are nothing. a dog that placed in the champions at the world this yr, i didn't see him hunt any, a dog wimper in the check area and away he went, but every one has bragged up that dog.

certification would come down to a state rep(that is who the rule says) would say i know your dog dont worry.

just curious, it says circle. what if a dog got up 3 or 4 rabbits in that hr and all of them went to straight to the hole?

[yellowdog]

not sure where you are headed with that

[MasonsBeagles]

looks like some good changes and some i dont care for. off game is off game either break them or leave them at home. certifying, quicker checks i think they are on to something. i hope most of those pass.

as far as a vendor diagnosing mange at a glance, That is some trick I thought they had to do a blood test or look at it under a microscope to diagnose red mange????

[mike crabtree]

Red Mange on 1 foot? Come on get real.

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

yes on red mange they scrape the skin they show up under a microscope.!
yellow i am sry but just cause a dog blows out after he comes in on a dog that found the rabbit and is makeing progress doesnt give him the check has it happened yes it has ,, but those judges need to learn how to judge correctly!the rule doesnt have a mph check lol!

[WrongsideRandy]

just curious, it says circle. what if a dog got up 3 or 4 rabbits in that hr and all of them went to straight to the hole?

My opinion.........move to a new spot to certify with a few less holes and if it still happens There is nothing that says you only get 1 chance.

I have witnessed many of certifications and I have yet to see someone cheat a dog on certification. To start with the State Rep isnt who does the certifications, judges do certifying......although the certification judges who get appointed has to go thru the State Rep.

Secondly.....I dont care who owns the dog, once they have the win and points.........EVERYONE is cheering for them to become Champions or Grands. After you run with other peoples dogs a while, week in and week out....you start to kinda pull for them to do well. I know I was always proud of every dog I ever signed the certification for.........BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS A CHAMPION RABBIT DOG, IT HAD PROVED IT SOLO.

I will say this......there isnt very many things in the world like having a dog certify! Makes one very proud, even once they are gone. Lots of good memories.

Best to you all,
Randy

[Buckeye Bob]

Certification is the best improvement that could be made to LP.I am with Preacher on the checks and think they could drop down to 10 seconds.Keep it at 15 inches at a field pose.All the good old boys that don't want change.....are you telling me these would not improve the quality of the dogs put on the ground?


(all statements are my opinion which has little or no clout except in my own kennel)

[J.C. Blair]

First of all Collins Country, you need to know what you are talking about before you publicly advertise it. Red Mange, c'mon man...I know exactly what you are talkin about and a few others as well...the dog had a pad pretty much torn off and was running on 3 legs. I got about $5000.00 that says that 3 legged dog could destroy anything you are running. I got the money and I can take a dog out of my own pen I'll put that bet on. Vets diagnose red mange not vendors. Let me say though the vendor you are talkin about is a true houndsmen and I have a lot of respect for him. But red mange was not the case, a little time off from running and he was healed miraculousy with no medicine at all. I think people have shown their true colors. I dont stay in a circle and win 10 dog hunts. I wished I got to trial a lot more, but work comes first. Don't think you can bash friends of mine, because I will stand up for them no matter what. They don't need any help, I'll let 'em finish you off If you have any comments or concerns call me or look me up at a trial, I'm not hard to find.

Chad Blair
859-771-5322

[Chain rock]

Preacher just because a dog is the first to bark when a check is open doesn't mean that dog recieves the check. Alot of dogs bark when they shouldn't in the check area and make no forward progress. I think what Yellow Dog is saying and I agree is that the dog who grabs the line from where the check was open and makes forward progress is the dog that should recieve the check, no matter if that dog was in the back of the pack , he / she is the one that made forward progress.

I also dont see how certification could hurt ARHA LP .To me if I had a champion dog I would hope that it could run a rabbit by itself and be shot over. Heck , I have gun hunted with ole boys that had dogs that could do that and I know that they weren't 100% beagle, possibly had a little bird dog or shephard in them.

As far as being worried about people you dont trust , or cheaters judging your dog, I've not been around like the majority of you guys have in LP, might be some of that takes place, but to me I agree with Wrongside Randy on this issue and I'm not a professional judge. A dog can either do it or it can't. I have yet to meet a single person at a trial and conversed with one that I got the impression that this person is a cheater and would judge my dog incorrectly on purpose because of me. I know everbody doesn't agree on everything that happens in a cast and alot might be missed, but from the judges I have seen I think they have done thier best, win or lose.

Bottom line .... Throw out the pet peeves,, either a dog can do it own its own or it can't. If mine can't get it done I will cullem and start again.