arha lp and oversized dogs

Mapel Valley Kennels LLC. · Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:27 am

ohlinger.s wrote:
Tim H wrote:
I find it ironic that those who want the size limit raised or eliminated are the same ones who say that size doesn't make any difference. My question to you then is if size doesn't make a difference then why do you want to run bigger dogs? Why not just get smaller dogs?

Lol wow where would i be without the simple views of tim h in life. Gosh thats a great solution! picture this (hypethetical situation i'm sure it's happened to someone before tho) you get an awesome pup comes on strong you're proud of him he's doing great leading packs you want to trial him to show him off you win a couple trials he's almost a champion he hits 18 months old and he starts measuring out!! that sucks. hmm ok i'll sell him and buy a smaller dog b/c i knew the whole time that he was going to be too big from the day i bought him and i just put all that work into him for no reason at all cuz i knew he was gonna turn out to be right at 15 inches. haha i know i jist asked for a pissing match with you but sometimes practicality is'nt always so practical. you can breed two 10" beagles togethor and get a 16 inch dog. so you explain to me how you just own smaller dogs ?

It is a touchy subject about size, me personally could care less eiether way. Its a rule that is still after all theses years very fuzzy to me. I have seen a world hunter winner get measured out in tenn the weekend after the world , its all in who does the measuring . As far as the training of young dogs going over , i have watched this for years. Pine mtn old school hounds will grow like thisels till 8 mths old. I try to get some running on em before that. They grow strong early and seems too level out quick. Thank God.Spade as well as junie were 14 inches at 7 months that makes me nervous. Different lines are different results.Example - I personally have not seen big dogs from ranger dan, proper baron, just too name a few. But i can not seem to get a big bitch out of my male but plenty big strong males. Them darn genetics are strange. I will come up with a big male though, as far as running small dogs go ,i have seen 13" throw 16" why would i take a pony to the ky derby i for one will run 15"if you fill as though you want to measure my hounds fill free, i dont care, one thing is for sure I will not measure yours.

CPC · Post by **CPC** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:32 am

Just a thought. What about running a horse in a pony race? I think you would get measured. Just something to think about.

Mapel Valley Kennels LLC. · Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:19 am

CPC wrote:Just a thought. What about running a horse in a pony race? I think you would get measured. Just something to think about.

Good point so why do they call it a hot water heater? It heats cold water.
And by the way apartments are built together.

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:51 pm

Correction!!!! It heats whatever temp. of water you put in the tank and it heats it to whatever temp you set the thermostat to.

Lynn Perkins · Post by **Lynn Perkins** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:54 pm

Stony_Branch_Kennels wrote:Correction!!!! It heats whatever temp. of water you put in the tank and it heats it to whatever temp you set the thermostat to.

Don't ya just hate it when people not so bright,try to act smart

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:57 pm

Perkins,
Be nice to Jimmy!

ANTHONY KERR · Post by **ANTHONY KERR** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:02 pm

What does a thermo nuclear reactor do ? In a nut shell , I may not understand all the scientific jargon.

Lynn Perkins · Post by **Lynn Perkins** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:08 pm

Stony_Branch_Kennels wrote:Perkins,
Be nice to Jimmy!

Always

Tim H · Post by **Tim H** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:20 pm

ohlinger.s, size is one thing that you have a good chance to control with breeding. Sure enough there are going to be exceptions but for the most part people have been pretty successful breeding beagles to the standard of under 15". Look around at all the trials in all the registries and you will see a large number of beagles 15" and under. Did they all just get lucky?

Let's take your hypothetical situation and apply it to any number of things that could get you the same results.

"You get an awesome pup comes on strong you're proud of him he's doing great leading packs you want to trial him to show him off you win a couple trials he's almost a champion he hits 18 months old and he starts getting mouthy or he starts racing for the front or he starts slashing and cutting."

Anyone of those things can occur just the same as measuring out. Should we then assume the rules about those things should be changed as well?

Yes it will be disappointing but you don't change the rules because someone came close to having a champion and didn't quite make it. How valuable is a champion to you if you had to just give it to him cause he was close enough.

Briarhoppers · Post by **Briarhoppers** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:23 pm

Someone earlier mention about genetics being strange and trying to breed big females and only getting big males....well I made a couple linebred Syris crosses and all the males have been big....some over 15", and no male has been under 14 1/2". But I haven't had a female over 13 1/2" and most of them are closer to 12 1/2"....strange. I kept the biggest strongest female from my last litter and I bet she'll end up being 12 1/2". I kept the smallest male and he is going to be close to 15"

-pete

Mapel Valley Kennels LLC. · Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:46 pm

Briarhoppers wrote:Someone earlier mention about genetics being strange and trying to breed big females and only getting big males....well I made a couple linebred Syris crosses and all the males have been big....some over 15", and no male has been under 14 1/2". But I haven't had a female over 13 1/2" and most of them are closer to 12 1/2"....strange. I kept the biggest strongest female from my last litter and I bet she'll end up being 12 1/2". I kept the smallest male and he is going to be close to 15"

-pete

Years ago i could practically look at grade dogs and know all would be 14.5" - 15" a few years into akc dogs i lost that. I have very heavy simalarities in all , i have yet to see the big bitch. Even though thinking i have not went outside the family. Until recently Lynn and i have made a cross that could be the tale of the tape. Total outcross persay, but not really. I personally believe its the fact harehounds are what most of us guys run, its in the blood. I also think un-predictability is as well when size comes up.By the way Why do they call em parkways when we drive on em?

tiffinis · Post by **tiffinis** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:15 pm

why is bra singular and panties plural?

Tim H · Post by **Tim H** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:24 pm

Now we are getting off topic.

ohlinger.s · Post by **ohlinger.s** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:35 pm

lol tim h i don't want to start a fight with you but you're reply to my last post does'nt even come close to being on the same page as what i said. a beagle that comes close to being over the 15" mark or measures in one day and not the other is not the same as a dog getting mouthy, and you cannot control anything by breeding if you were an experienced breeder you would know that. You almost always have oddball pups. any honest beagler will tell you it's a crapshoot in the breeding game no matter how inbred youre dogs are all beagles have the common ancestors bc they are all the same breed. I know someone that raises beagles and keeps nothing over 13 inches and breeds nothing over 13 inches but she still gets some very big 15" dogs. slashing cutting etc you have a better chance of controling those issues in breeding by that than you do size. size is a conformation issue not a performance issue. a dog being right at 15 inches can measure out very easily if stood wrong the way i see it. I'm 5' 10" i can go over six feet if i stand on my tip toes lift my head higher and the same for a dog as well you have to have a measuring standard before you decide what dogs are over 15 and what dogs are'nt, then and even ukc has this problem you have to be CONSISTANT in that measuring process everyone measurer HAS to use that same measureing standard.

Tim H · Post by **Tim H** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:00 pm

ohlinger, you contradict yourself when you say "you cannot control anything by breeding" but then you follow by saying "slashing cutting etc you have a better chance of controling those issues in breeding by that than you do size."

Your position, according to your post, is that breeding controls behavior more than size (genetics).

Are you seriously going to argue that it's hard to find a breeder who is consistently breeding dogs that are under 15"?

What do you think is causing the consistency in the size of the dogs at field trials? Maybe BREEDING?

Now I'm not going to continue this with you, I think we both have been clear about our opinions and I don't want to get into a pissing match with you or start a fight so you stick to your plan and I'll stick to mine and let the better dogs win (by the rules of course).