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REPUBLICAN'S CONSERVATIVES- :lol: :lol: :lol:
-ONLY WHEN IT BENEFIT'S THEM AND -NOT- AMERICA'S WORKING CLASS,AND SMALL BUSINESS-
-NOW THEY ARE ATTACKING THE MILLION'S THAT ARE OUT OF WORK -AND SMALL BUSINESS'S ,

-JUST TO REMIND YOU GUY'S ,THERE ARE NO CONSERVATIVE'S
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Reconciliation
Congress has used the procedure to enact omnibus budget bills, first in 1981. Since 1980, 17 of 23 reconciliation bills have been signed into law by Republican presidents (a Republican has been president for 20 of the last 29 years). Since 1980, reconciliation has been used nine times when Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate, six times when Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate, one time when the Democrats controlled the Senate and the Republicans the House, and seven times when the Republicans controlled the Senate and the Democrats controlled the House. Reconciliation has been used at least once nominally for a non-budgetary purpose (for example, see the College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007, when a Republican was president and the Democrats controlled Congress). The 1986 Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA) contained some health care provisions.

The Byrd Rule (as described below) was adopted in 1985 and amended in 1990. Its main effect has been to prohibit the use of reconciliation for provisions that would increase the deficit beyond 10 years after the reconciliation measure.

Congress used reconciliation to enact President Bill Clinton's 1993 (fiscal year 1994) budget. (See Pub.L. 103-66, 107 Stat. 312.) Clinton wanted to use reconciliation to pass his 1993 health care plan, but Senator Robert Byrd insisted that the health care plan was out of bounds for a process that is theoretically about budgets.

In 1997 Congress passed the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 which was a reconciliation bill that reduced taxes and hence increased the deficit, but was paired with the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 (H.R. 2014 and H.R. 2015 respectively), each signed by President Clinton. In 1999, the Congress for the first time used reconciliation to pass legislation that would increase deficits without a companion bill that reduced spending (and ignoring the bill from 1975): the Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act 1999. This act was passed when the Government was expected to run large surpluses: it was subsequently vetoed by President Clinton. A similar situation happened in 2000, when the Senate again used reconciliation to pass the Marriage Tax Relief Reconciliation Act 2000, which was also vetoed by Clinton. At the time the use of the reconciliation procedure to pass such bills was controversial.[5]

During the administration of President George W. Bush, Congress used reconciliation to enact three major tax cuts

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"TAX-CUTS"

THAT IS SOMETHING YOUR WHITE HOUSE IDIOT DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.

SHALL I REMIND YOU THAT YOUR LYING PREZ SAID "NO ONE MAKING UNDER $250,000 A YR WILL SEE ANY TAX INCREASE." ALL HE HAS DONE IS TAX INCREASES TO PAY FOR ALL HIS SOCIALLIST AGENDA. YOUR TAX BURDEN HAS WENT UP AND YOU GOT YOUR HEAD SO FAR IN HIS @SS YOU CANT SEE IT. :oops: :roll: :nod:
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by Collins Country on Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:07 am

"TAX-CUTS"

THAT IS SOMETHING YOUR WHITE HOUSE IDIOT DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.

SHALL I REMIND YOU THAT YOUR LYING PREZ SAID "NO ONE MAKING UNDER $250,000 A YR WILL SEE ANY TAX INCREASE." ALL HE HAS DONE IS TAX INCREASES TO PAY FOR ALL HIS SOCIALLIST AGENDA. YOUR TAX BURDEN HAS WENT UP AND YOU GOT YOUR HEAD SO FAR IN HIS @SS YOU CANT SEE IT.
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-MR COLLINS
-YOU ARE A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A MISINFORMED-INDIVIDUAL WHO KNOW'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION OR IT'S POLICIES.AND OR NOTHING, ABOUT THE CONDITION AMERICA IS IN BECAUSE OF INDIVIDUAL'S LIKE YOU .YOU DON'T KNOW OR CARE ABOUT FACT'S .TAXES, HAVE WENT DOWN FOR AN OVER WHELMING NUMBER OF AMERICAN'S AND SMALL BUSINESS'S--YOU CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE -MYTHICAL LAND THINKING YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN...YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD SO FAR UP YOUR BUTT,YOU CAN JUST, OPEN YOUR MOUTH A COMB YOU HAIR,DON'T TAKE THESE NAZI'S, LIKE BLUE GRASS AND BECK AND RUSH AT FACE VALUE- READ A LITTLE AND SOON YOU WILL SEE,THEY ARE NOTHING JUST PHONEY'S-EXCEPT RUSH AND BECK AND PALIN -THEY ARE A NAZI MONEY RACKET,, HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR --BECK--UNIVERSITY--RE-WRITING HISTORY YET.YOU SHOULD FIT IN WELL..
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-AND AGAIN -HE IS NOT -MY- MAN HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ---SO IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN ,HE IS YOUR MAN TO ...

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MORE PMB BULL$HIT, NOTHING NEW. SAME OLE REPUBLICAN BABBLING.

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by Rabbithoundjb on Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:44 pm

MORE PMB BULL$HIT, NOTHING NEW. SAME OLE REPUBLICAN BABBLING.
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-NO NEED TO CHANGE THE TRUTH--THANK'S FOR AGREEING,,

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PMB you have NO idea what truth is or maybe I should say your as truthful as Obama your hero, two peas in a pod, buds, pals, talk about a joke.

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Here's a riddle for you Pinenut, The dems are blaming the reb for now wanting to extent the unemployment benifits, when the truth is told its the reb that want to use the stimulis money that the dems have stocked piled. the dems will not use the stumulis money because it makes their failure of job growth look worse. In other word they would rather add to the national debt than to say that their policies are not working. What would you do! I know the answer you will blame Bush. You continue to defend a president that could not run a lemon-aid stand . Come November the American people will stand up and tell the truth, something obumer can not do. He and his cronies know its coming, All his lying and finger pointing will not help the dems, Lying is all he has left because his policy speaks for its self (FAILURE). You have been ask many times were are the Jobs, Face the truth pinenut untill obumer is gone this country will not grow.

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I saw a democrat argueing that passing the unemployment compensation bill would be an excellent way of adding stimulous to the economy. Sure, but why not use the money from the stimulous bill to jump start the economy? Duh!
Obama and his cronies are apparantly keeping a nest egg of the original stimulous bill money as a carrot to reward states that vote democrat in the upcoming election. Acorn had to use some of their carrot money in lawyer fees. Cupboards maybe be getting bare.

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Vote for the Tea party this nov... Sure is going to be bad next few years when oboma care goes in efect, poor people like me makein 20 grand a year will haft to Pay to get it even if we do not want it.. !

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Hey!!! the economy is improving!!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/ar ... love_money
You may have been hearing a lot of doom and gloom about the economy recently.

OK, so the news on jobs, real estate and retail sales has been dismal. Yes, maybe it's true the middle class is broke, in debt, under water, out of work and in despair.

More from MarketWatch.com:

• U.S. Housing Starts Drop 5% to 8-Month Low

• Leading Money Manager Now Believes Deflation Is Coming

• Five Money Tips for Couples in Tough Times

But look on the bright side. One group of people is doing just fine. The rich.

The New York Times this weekend tried to find signs they were easing up -- maybe somebody put their new Ferrari on hold because of the Greek crisis. But any such suggestion should be viewed in context.

Tiffany & Co. (NYSE: TIF - News) says sales at its flagship New York store jumped 26% in the first quarter. International luxury goods giant Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy -- whose brands range from Fendi to Givenchy to Moet & Chandon Champagne, plus, of course, those cliched Vuitton bags -- says U.S. sales boomed 20% in the first quarter, including a remarkable 58% boost for sales of jewelry and expensive watches like Tag Heuer.

More from Yahoo! Finance:

• Best Places to Earn Big Bucks

• 'Daddy, Are We Rich?' and Other Tough Questions

• How the Expiring Bush Tax Cuts Affect You
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Indeed the Swiss watch federation says exports of luxury watches (those $2,000 "timepieces") to the U.S. rose 12% in May and are now ahead 9% for the year. Nordstrom Inc. (NYSE: JWN - News) says same-store sales zoomed ahead 14% in June. They're up 11% year to date. Super-luxury goods purveyor Richemont -- which owns such brands as Cartier, Dunhill, and Van Cleef & Arpels -- says U.S. sales are up.

The Sunseeker Club in New York, America's biggest dealership in the multi-million dollar British luxury power boats, tells me business is strong again. Those who have the money to spend, they say, are spending it.

At times like these, cash buyers are king.

These are not isolated incidents. According to consultants Cap Gemini, the wealthy saw their net worth bounce back sharply last year. And while those with $1 million or more did pretty well, the real story was the boom among the ultra rich: Those with more than $30 million to invest. "Ultra-HNWIs (High Net Worth Individuals) increased their wealth by a striking 21.5% in 2009, far more than the average in the HNWI segment as a whole," Cap Gemini reported, adding: "A disproportionate amount of wealth remained concentrated in the hands of Ultra-HNWIs."

There are fewer than 100,000 ultras around the world. A third of those are here in the U.S. Ultras make up 1% of the high net worth, according to Cap Gemini, but held 36% of the high net worth's wealth.

Talk to any rich person, and they won't tell you they're doing well. They're more likely to complain. After all, taxes are going up. And there's that Black Panther communist in the White House spending us to rack and ruin on all this socialism.

Are they right?

The rich are always complaining. Back in Edwardian England the aristocrats moaned about the servants.

Sure, the top rates of tax expected to go up at the end of this year, when the Bush tax cuts are due to expire (the debate about the new tax regime rages on). But that will only take rates up a bit -- to the levels seen in the late 1990s. You remember how tough things were for the elite back then.

And who pays the top rate anyway?

Right now it only kicks in on each dollar of ordinary income over $374,000 a year. A recent study by the Congressional Budget Office found that the top 1% of Americans paid an average federal income tax rate of just 19% in 2007, the last year when data were available. The top 5% of earners paid an average rate of less than 18%. There are ways and means to minimize tax -- like calling your income "capital gains." That's what private equity honchos do, where possible. In many cases, it means people making tens of millions a year are paying lower tax rates than their chauffeurs and receptionists. (There are proposals to change that, with predictable screaming).

As for socialism: The Federal Reserve reports that the private sector is doing so badly that corporate profits just, um, rocketed to a new record high. The after-tax profits of corporate America rocketed 43% in the first quarter.

And let's not overlook, too, this year's gigantic one-off tax cut for the very wealthiest: The one-year abolition of the federal estate tax. When it comes to inheritance, we are, at least for a year, back in the age of President Taft. That, for example, saved George Steinbrenner's richly deserving heirs hundreds of millions in taxes. For years we've heard the wealthy rage against the estate tax and express their fervent wish they could avoid it. This year they have their chance.

The truth is, this is a great time and place in which to be rich. The average Fortune 500 chief executive pocketed $10.5 million in 2008, the last year for which data are yet available. That's more than 300 times the average worker's pay. Back in the Dark Ages -- the 1940s through 1980 -- the ratio was typically about 40 times. From 1979 through 2007, says the CBO, the top 1% saw their average household income skyrocket from $346,000 to $1.3 million in constant, 2007 dollars. That's after taxes. Meanwhile the average middle-class family saw their income rise from $44,000 to $55,000.

And according to an analysis by the Central Intelligence Agency, the U.S. has one of the most unequal income distributions in the world. In this field, most of the developed world is pretty much in line -- Japan, Italy, Australia, Canada, Norway, Great Britain. Some are more unequal than others, but all are comparable. In each case, of course, the rich make more than the middle class, sometimes a lot more. But they generally occupy the same economy.

The U.S.? Our income distribution is more in line with Zimbabwe, Argentina, and El Salvador. We think of Russia as the land of oligarchs, but America's inequality is actually slightly greater than Russia's.

Maybe we should all be investing in luxury goods companies, and launching overpriced "designer" labels targeted at oligarchs with more money than sense. As for all those millions out of work: Maybe they can get jobs as servants.

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Nice Charles...first you tease us all by claiming you are done with this forum, then you come back with an article portraying the wealthy as EVIL and the root of it.



Nothing like a little class warfare to help you sleep at night huh Charles???/

You get all warm and fuzzy when you get to blame the RICH for everything???

By the way, any idea what level of income defines one as RICH?

Would your messiah in chief qualify as RICH?

Would Bill Clinton qualify as RICH??

How about ALGORE???

What about MICHAEL MOORE?

NANCY PELOSI?

Oh, and by the way...who was the last dirt poor, dead broke CEO who created one single job??

Talk about biting the hands that feed the nation...you want two totally different things...you want the rich to NOT be rich (presumably so they can dish it out to everyone else) and you want jobs created so no one has to go without. Noble efforts perhaps, but if you take away the money from the so called RICH which poor people will provide the jobs????



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The second amendment protects us from implementing "I think"

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With all these protections for business, I wonder why none of the "rich folk" are investing in business? Maybe it's because they don't have a clue how much this government is going to penalize them. King Obama may just decide he wants Van Jones or Valery Jarrett to take over the next business that he deems too big to fail.

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Obama did NOT lower any taxes. After his tax "cut" the average american worker saw an extra $13 dollars a month in their paycheck. BUT - the tax rate did not change. You still have to pay the same taxes, you just get back less if you're receiving a refund, or you pay more in if you are paying in. They just didn't hold out the $13. Not tax cut - still paying the same amount.

Now when the BUSH "tax cuts for the wealthy" expire at the end of the year. Your tax rate (percentage) is going to go UP. According to Obambi, this is NOT raising the taxes on people making under $250,000.00 a year, it is just putting them back where they should be! We'll be paying more in taxes, but it is definitely NOT raising taxes!

Other than "readjusting" your tax rate (CAN'T say raising, he promised he wouldn't, remember). The $1000 tax credit per child is also going away with the Bush "tax cuts for the wealthy". Now, Obambi is NOT raising my taxes, I just have to pay an extra $2000 a year than I did before since I don't get the tax credits for my 2 little girls like I have been since they were born. AGAIN - this is NOT raising your taxes - just ask Pine Mt.

I didn't know I was wealthy, but I must be since my taxes are "readjusting". I should feel good about suddenly being WEALTHY!

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Saw on tv tonight where hillary got approval to give aother country 500 million bucks... i think we should keep our money, allways heard if u had to pay someone to be your friend. then they where not your friend to start with

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bluegrass wrote:Nice Charles...first you tease us all by claiming you are done with this forum, then you come back with an article portraying the wealthy as EVIL and the root of it.



Nothing like a little class warfare to help you sleep at night huh Charles???/

You get all warm and fuzzy when you get to blame the RICH for everything???

By the way, any idea what level of income defines one as RICH?

Would your messiah in chief qualify as RICH?

Would Bill Clinton qualify as RICH??

How about ALGORE???

What about MICHAEL MOORE?

NANCY PELOSI?

Oh, and by the way...who was the last dirt poor, dead broke CEO who created one single job??

Talk about biting the hands that feed the nation...you want two totally different things...you want the rich to NOT be rich (presumably so they can dish it out to everyone else) and you want jobs created so no one has to go without. Noble efforts perhaps, but if you take away the money from the so called RICH which poor people will provide the jobs????
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Hi Tony,
Nowhere did I say I wouldn't revisit the forum, besides, who would you have to call names... :lol:
I can't help what the author thought of things but the article had facts that showed companies balance sheets improving and the well-to-do spending money(trickle down effect) again.

I have but one Messiah and that is Jesus Christ.

Our company stock is down 68%, our CEO got $7.3 million, do I think he deserved it...no...but the board of directors decides that, we can vote them out.

You take liberty of evaluating me as a person but you don't know me... do you realize how silly that makes you look...do you ever reread your rant and become embarrassed or are you that full of yourself?

I have a suggestion, next time you reply, have your children come sit by you so you can set an example of how to talk and treat others.

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