Two questions

[golden acres]

As i said there are some dogs with a big nose without extra mouth i did not say i owned any. If you would like to come run hare i hope your dogs will bark every breath with what ever kind of mouth on a hot pounding all day race on hare. I do own dogs that will bark early but they do account for their rabbit most of the time. When I say early within in a reasonable time they do not bark in a check area and when they come out of a check they got it. When they run over a track they shut it, but if their is track between their legs like the example I prefer they open while moving the track. Sir by the way I never in previous post commented on my hound but after 20 years of judging and traveling i have seen some fine hounds. I guess we agree to disagree, but we have one thing in common we enjoy running these little hounds

[bucks better beagles]

GW: I pretty much agree with most things you say but I am having a problem understanding this one. The way I read it, you feel a fast, chop mouth hound is a yapper. I love a chop mouth if it is doing it the right way. Are you saying you simply do not like a fast mouth dog no matter what? I know Golden Acres does not keep anything that cannot do what is expected in a big way. He is pretty quick with the ax.

[nchunter102]

I'm with everyone else on this one, that isn't enough for me to make a decision on a dog. There are a lot of different factors that come into play when running dogs, and I don't think you can honestly judge those hounds on a hundred yard run to the woods.

[gwyoung]

Buck, never intended to slight golden acres and I don't see where I have. I simply clarified what I meant when I said I would plant a yapper. I never said he had one ,I only used the analogy that if he did( and this applies to anyone else) and we were running together I would ask him to put it back in the truck as I will not listen to a yapper, it ruins my day. Now, that we are sure no offense was intended. let me clarify yapper. Dog, did a good job of it earlier but I will try to describe it. ( I suspect must of us have seen one and I see it most often with the UBGF hounds. ) Dog barks rapid fire , 4 of 5 times a second , hardly any noticeable pause between barks. makes me sick , We are supposed to be running hounds this kind of yapping is not hound like. Now if anyone likes that it's fine with me. I was just stating my opinion on it and I will not run with a dog that does it, not now and not ever. I almost forgot, I like a chop mouth dog , I just can't stand one that barks like I described. All of the machine gun yappers that I have seen were chop mouth but If I heard a machine gun yapper of any other type I am sure I would be equally disinterested.

[bucks better beagles]

GW: I think I understand and I am pretty sure I agree. I did not in anyway think you were intending offense to anyone. I just did not understand. Chalk it up to being old and it is 80 degrees in Michigan. Way too hot. This is something I hate. Dogs still have to run of course.

[pineridgebeagles]

GW I dont understand your thoughts on mouth,I think you are saying dogs with alot of mouth are wild babblers,loose mouth in the check area,cold trialers.If this is what you mean I dont agree at all.How much mouth a dog gives on a hot track does not in any way detirmine how he acts in on a check or makes him a cold trailer.I have some hounds that bark every time there feet hit the ground and to stay in my kennel they had better not open on a cold track or its the highway.I have been running hounds for 40 years and every dog is differant in lots of ways,some bark alot on the track some dont,some hunt hard some dont.I dont believe hounds bark on a cold track because they have a better nose its because they dont have enough brains to keep their mouth shut. Same goes for mouthing on a check,the only loose mouth I can put up with is a hound barking while it it harking into a pack that is driving, that is desire.No offence intended just an opion from a gun hunter that runs hounds in all temps and conditions.Al

[gwyoung]

pineridge, You are having trouble understanding my thoughts on mouth , because you have mis-understood what I have said. I didn't say a word about wild babblers, loose mouth in the check, etc; I don't know how you got that from what I said. No offense taken from a gun hunter of forty years plus and one that hunts in all temps and conditions, and none meant. What you have stated is some very basic stuff. One point you made I believe is incorrect, You say some dogs don't bark on a cold trail because they have brains enough to keep their mouth's shut, this is not the reason they keep their mouths shut.

[pilotknob]

There is always a lot of debate about mouth. Everyone has their opinion of what they like, when it is all said and done experienced, Knowledgeable houndsmen know one thing, with nose usually comes mouth. Now you can apply that anyway you like but you cannot change this fact. I know, I know, your hound has a great nose and he will never bark unless the rabbit is up and running. ( can you explain how he knows it is up and running, before you try, no, you can't.) And as far as your dog with a great nose never barking on a cold trail, let me fill you in on something, he doesn't have a great nose.

golden acres, Plant was my word so I will explain. If a dog barks machine gun style, every breath, or whatever you call it, it is not a hound, it is yapping. It can have the most honest mouth of any dog alive and if it is yours and we are running together, I will respectfully ask you to put it in the truck, I can't stand that darn yapping out of what is supposed to be a hound!

GW How can you say that if a dog takes a cold trail and works it up and jumps a rabbit and dosn't open untill it is jumped that it dosn't have a good nose.If I have to listen to them pop off on every old feeding trail from the night before,I'll stick with the ones that keep their mouths shut untill they actually have something to run.

[gwyoung]

pilotknob, All cold trails are not equal. So, I was careful to use the word never. Also, where did I mention anything about a " good " nose don't think I used the term in that post. Guys, everyone take the time and look back a few pages to a thread called Nose Power, it is a very good thread and most on here posted. ( It was about 8 pages) I explained why in my forty years of observations why it is not brains that prevents a dog from barking on a old trail. There are a lot of good posts made by some good houndsmen on this particular thread, and seeing as how there is not too much going on currently it would be a good read. I would ask you not to be like my wife when reading an article, She can read it and then tell me what happened and then I can read it and invariably she will add things that weren't said and leave some out that were, making it an entirely different story, making it say what she wanted it to say. She has recently switched from being a Democrat to a Republican so I think she will start handling the facts a little better from here on out though! Bottom line your dog cannot tell when the rabbit is up when hitting a trail.

[likeemfast]

Dont care much about this post, but GW,............. i am certainly glad to hear your wife is now a Republican!!!!! Funny how so many people voted for him but i cant find a handful now who will admit they did. Good for her GW and you. Better reading and better conversations to both of YOU.

[bucks better beagles]

GW: way to end a post...politics. Better move this one over to the other site. Could not disagree more on your political leanings.

[BG BEAGLER]

I'd prolly find another rabbit any dog can look good sometimes

[gwyoung]

Here are some facts that every Democrat and Republican will have to admit because it is a matter of record, Democrats overwhelmingly vote for baby killing( abortion) that is a fact , democrats vote for gun control and confiscation and that is a fact, democrats vote for gay marriage and that is a fact. Democrats vote for allowing 21 million illegals to enter and stay in this country with the cost to the taxpayer of around 40 billion a year. ( Aren't you happy to pay for the birth, feeding, and housing of illegal people in this country) Obama, is fighting some states now who wish to enforce our laws and return illegals to their own Country. This is all a matter of record and I don't think there is anyone on this board who does not know that these are facts. You can vote for Democrats for any reason you like but do not ever fool yourself into believing you are not voting for baby killing, gay marriage, and gun control, and the robbery of of tax paying americans to benefit illegals, because this is how the Democrats use their votes after you put them in office and those who vote for them know it so they cannot plead ignorance. This is a fact and anyone who disputes that is simply going to put themselves on the losing side of a disagreement as we can look up the voting record of your US Senators and we all know Obama is for these things as he has repeatedly said so and has placed judges and appointees who believe the same. I just can't live that way. I figured since there is so little going on we could double up on a thread or two due to the low volume.

[likeemfast]

Not to get you guys off topic of a dog barking on a dirt road 0, 2, or 5 times, but GW ya hit the proverbial nail on the head once again.

[smokedawg]

Dog A is my choice. You saw the line. If he can take it down the road like that I want him to pour out the mouth on it, nothing wrong with letting me know you got it. I only rabbit hunt so I dont care if he barks to much on the line. It would be hard to kill rabbits if your dog followed a line silently.