Selling dogs ?/ VENTING!!

[BCBeagles]

Helping out a friend who has a nice all around male dog he is selling. I have run with the dog one time with a pack of very nice dogs and he did very well. A guy called me looking for a dog to add to his pack. My friend brings the dog to me for the guy to take the dog on trial for 1-2 weeks! What more can you ask for???? He picked up the dog at my house on Thursday evening. I said I would keep him up until early this week to let him adjust then get him out with his "best" dog just to let him settle in. I am in NO way claiming to be an expert on hounds, but would not anyone on here give a dog a few days to change up in there environment??? This guy takes the dog out on Saturday evening, full 1.5 days of adjusting time, and calls me and says the dog is walking in the path behind him with his tail tucked. I said give him some time, like a couple days, and take him with your "best" dog then solo him after and see what you think. This is a pretty good dog, not a world champ, but not a cull either. He calls me last night and the conversation was short saying he is bringing the dog back. I said fine, the pen is open where he was put him in it. I am assuming this is the last time this individual will call me for a dog. You know the take I get from this is that folks want that dream dog for DIRT CHEAP, second some people should just stick deer hunting instead of fooling with hounds!

This individual told me he has been looking for a long time for the right dog. Obviously, this dog may not have been the "right" dog, but with not a chance to do anything what do people expect??? Just had to share and put a little of my frustrations out there. From now on my dogs for sale or any dogs I help anyone sell, will be sold on my running grounds with the cash in the guys pocket or they can save there gas money. I, we, my hunting buddies don't sell our culls, they just "don't come home". I just learn all the time, and this is not a good thing, "supposed" rabbit hunters/ hound poeple may not know as much as they think. Sorry for my rant. LOL!!

[Casey Harner]

I recently sold my first beagle ever. The guy had money without seen and absolutely loves the dog and is quite please. Butter I personally would rather the buyer come and watch my dogs run.

[lebro]

let them come run with you this 1 or 2 week trial sounds good but after a couple hours what more do you want? tell the truth when you sell a dog and both sides should leave the deal happy.

[BCBeagles]

Agreed, the truth was told on both sides accurately. I was frustrated that he kept the dog up 1.5 days of "getting used too time" then busted him out alone and then calls 30 minutes after the dog is walking in the path. Common sense in hound handling to me is look at the personality of the dog. This dog in particular is an average hound with his outgoingness. He is not shy, but probably not the dog that is going to go out solo after a day of knowing you and perform at his best. I will let them all or any for that matter see them in a comfortable surrounding for the dog and that will be it. Learn a lesson each time with these hounds. My ignorance has me frustrated on this incidence. Should have just took him to one of my spots then this guy would not think we were trying to sell him a cull.

[Fleetwood]

If I've learned anything in my short beagling career BC, it's that there seems to be a lot of impatient beaglers out there. Heck, there's just a lot of impatient people out there period . Sorry you had a bad experience bud.

[mdbeagler]

I had a guy call me last year looking for a dog. I had a 4 year female that I told him
I would sell. I raised this bitch from a 6 week old pup. If a dog stays here that long
it's a rabbit dog. I let the guy take the dog for a week trial, and told him let her get
use to him and his dogs and then try running her. This idiot took her out the first
time with his dogs, and gunned over her without letting her get use to him or his dogs.
She had been with me her entire life and run only with my dogs, and my friends.
This little bitch is a hard hunting little Indian Hills bred bitch. This guy calls me and
tells me she didn't hunt that hard. I told him with out question bring her back. I know
what she is, and if a guy doesn't know enough about hounds too know some dogs have
to get use to it's surroundings first then I don't need to waste my time. I don't sell
many dogs, but it is a relief when you sell one and the guy is a true houndsman
and knows a good hound when he see's one. I hate dealing with idiots.

[mybeagles]

I dont believe a good dog needs time to adjust to a new place. If thats the case you could never field trial.....I have run dogs for some of my friends in the past. Drive them from Michigan to Kentucky overnight and drop them the first morning and they get in and pound a rabbit. The ones that follow me around, I call the owner and ask if they want me cull them. If a dog takes 2 weeks to adjust and your selling it, I guess you better give at least a 30 day trial, maybe 60 days.......

If a beagle was taken to the woods and followed him on the trail while other dogs were hunting the dog lacks hunt and I wouldn't buy it either, price is irrelevent.

Im a firm believer that dogs that are being thinned from packs would be better off culled or given away rather than sold. The only people satisfied with the "kennel reduction" dogs are people that have NO expectation out of the dog. They just want one to feed and mill around in the woods while they jump shoot rabbits.

If a dog is very good, its not for sale with few exceptions. When a beagler "doesn't have time for the dogs" what they are really saying is they have nothing worth spending the time on. You find time for an outstanding hound, they make you want to be in the woods.

Selling dogs should not be stressful. You offer a trial period, if they dont want the dog they bring it back. Much less aggrivation to cull the weak ones. The money you get for "average" hounds is not worth the time looking for the guy with low expectations.

Mybeagles

[BCBeagles]

Mybeagles,

I agree with you on all your points. He took the dog alone. This was part of my frustration, I am taking the dog with my "best" at least to see his or her potential. You want someone to think you at least attempted to sell them something worth a crap! This is a dog that can and will contribute in positive ways to a pack and do that very consistantly. He may not be the next big thing, but for 4 years he has pulled his weight on hare and cottontail. He did bring him back and that is fine, I am saying that he just did not give the dog a fair shake, IMO. According to your opinion most should be worm food, but you just have a way with words I guess??

[mybeagles]

Jim,

If the dog would have tore up the brush he would have brought him back for not handling well...... Your thinking the guy wasted your time, and truth be told, he thinks you wasted his time......

Its not worth it to me.....on the other hand some guys love buy/sell/trading dogs. Based on your post its not worth it to you either. Had a good friend that was a dog jockey. It was all a game, and every sale was a different scenario. He would sell a good dog for $200 and a cull for $600. That was all part of the thrill. Although I considered him a friend, I stayed completely out of his dog deals. Wouldn't even drop one off or pick one up for him. I did give him a couple average dogs (my culls) and he made good money on them. He would buy me a good dinner from time to time.......

Mybeagles

[littlewoody]

I have a dog just like that he will walk around 15 or 20 then start hunting. Dogs are like people they have feeling he was missing is owner.

[BCBeagles]

Just learned another lesson in dogs. You try and give people the benefit of the doubt then they let you down. The dog owner is an HONEST guy and I have seen the dog in action. From now on the dogs will go here at my place that will fix my frustration, if I/we even sell any more adult hounds. Live and learn is the moral of the story, on with life.

[Yang]

Yes everyone wants a world class dog dirt cheap. Mater of fact, they want it free, you pay shipping and handling. Tellim how it is, show it to them, and it is there problem down the line. People who wants everything for nothing will bring you 99% of your troubles to you in any kind of exchange.

[warddog]

I've learned over my numerous years of following hounds both coonhounds and beagles that I NEVER sell a dog on trial. I got broke on doing that many moons ago. Dogs are like people as they all have personalities and they even have different taste in both food and people. I've got dogs in the kennel now that some can eat a cup of dog food and get fat while one eats three cups of the same and is pretty thin. I've seen dogs hunt for numerous people but not hunt for one person. I NEVER base my opinion of a dog on whether I can trial it or not as that is not the almighty judge of a dogs worth. I competition hunted coon hounds for years and saw every kind of Champion, nite and grand there was and the best dog I ever laid my eyes on was never ever put into a competition in his entire life. He was a perfect dog that NEVER ran trash including opossum and would come back to his owner and sit down when other dogs did. His owner would pet him and then he would wonder off in another direction and find a coon. When he opened he would tree it, if he didn't open coons were not moving. I would have paid BIG money for that dog but he was never for sale. The guy raised him from a puppy and the dog never was hunted by anyone else alone so who knows if he would have acted and handled like he did in someone elses hands. I know the dog would have championed out in a hand full of hunts even with all the cheating gong on as he was that good. If he was used as the judge of culloing or not ALL ohers would have been culled including my two that both lacked 5 points of being nite champions.

[Bells Run Kennels]

I stopped selling dogs on TRIAL periods 5 to 7 years ago...too many peckerheads that didnt know how to handle dogs and had DEER chasers of their own. I will show you any hound you want to see run and when you pay for it it is your dog. I dont care what you do with it when you get it home. Its YOUR dog. I had a guy buy a dog and he never paid for it after his trial period was up...he then went to jail for 5 to 7 years and his dogs and property went to his brother in another state. I ended up going down and taking apart a chain link kennel that he scammed on a credit card and hauling it home. LUCKILY the new owner of the property didnt want it and said i should have it for my loss. Matt Barger still owes me 600 dollars in my opinion and next time I see him..if he ever gets out I will get some of my money back...lol...or atleast a little satisfaction.

[Big Mike]

Perhaps their is more to the story , like was it barking in the pen , and Mama said that hound has got to go? or mama ask where you getting the money to pay for that dog? May be issues involved that don't have anything to do with the dogs hunting ability.
I would not be as up-set as you appear to be, you gave a trial period , and the buyer returned the dog within that time frame. Like i said may be other issues involved. I have not had a bad experience selling a dog , never been bad mouthed regarding a dog i've sold , nor has any one returned a dog i've sold .
However, what really burns my azz is the bad experiences i have had when giving them away. In the past i have given away some very nice rabbit dogs, two that were older hounds , 8 & 9 years old, and a young one that was over 15 inches, but was a good running dog. I usually do a follow up on dogs i have given away, because i give them to people with the understanding they
will be hunted,and have good homes. Well two dogs were "lost" while hunting and the owners didn't even make an effort to look for them, and another was kept in the hot sun, with no shade and no water, and passed away from a stroke. It appears peoples attitudes are, if they don't have money invested in these dogs the hell with them. I will NEVER give one away again.