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He quoted Mr. Vanhoose, so I think that's who he was addressing. Don't jump to conclusions, there's enough of that going round...
I think he missed or left out a word. "no" should have been, "you think "no one" hears Bev.?
Salzer mtn wrote:
S.R.Patch wrote:
Salzer mtn wrote:I have a question for the ones that say's that akc should step up and do what is right. Are you going to continue to register your dogs with akc ? The reason i ask is because normally when a person does you wrong you don't have any more dealings with them. Is a organization any different ?
Salz,
If you quit every time something goes astray, you won't be involved in much.
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and you have $1000's of dollars and a belief invested in what established this organization, would you be remiss in not taking action to see that those values are upheld?
If we preach from the pulpit but do not uphold the Ten Commandments, we're still doing ok, aren't we? Do we leave the Church, get rid of the preacher or try to correct his ways? At some point if everyone quits, you end up with no where to run.
IMO a organization is in the same catagory as a individual. There has been several times i have cut fellowship with individuals and organizations because i couldn't go along with the way thay conducted themselves. I could get on here and air out my dirty laundry but i have learned that unless it touches someone elses flesh they just don't care. If you have high standards then sometimes you will have to stand alone, and that is not running away. Again if i felt that akc should take a stand on their own by-laws and would not, i would just simply not do business with them any more. You will be the one that pays the price, but high standards comes with a price.
Ok, let take it on an even bigger scale. I believe this Country has gone in error on many platforms, do I just pack up the family and move to a different Country? Nope, because I believe this is the best Country in the world to live and the good far outweighs the bad. The best we can do is stick together and fight to change things back to what is right and what made this Country great. Quitting or turning tail to run is no option once you have something worth fighting for...jmho
Anything that is public owned(AKC Club members), has a Board of Directors, is subject to change, membership can make that change if they feel those with the power of enforcement are not doing their job or allowing the mission of the organization to fail. Over 115 years of investment by others is to much to throw away.imho
S.R Patch wrote:
Anything that is public owned(AKC Club members), has a Board of Directors, is subject to change, membership can make that change if they feel those with the power of enforcement are not doing their job or allowing the mission of the organization to fail. Over 115 years of investment by others is to much to throw away.imho
Pretty certain if you check it out you'll see it's a private corporation, still has a board of directors but they really aren't that beholding to club members to keep the board positions they have.
Still probably the best game in town so I'll still use them for my pot lickers..........Dan
Kenny VanHoose wrote:Yeah cojax I have all AKC dogs, dont have any grade dogs. But you all carry on like you made some big revalation, like this is the first time this has happened . Well I'm sure this goes on with ALL breeds in ALL registries ! To hear you all carry on like this is the first time this has happened is funny. NO one has said that AKC should do nothing and NO one has said this is not wrong but not much has been said about the guy that done the forgery. Who is he ? Where is he ? Why dont you confront him ? To me that would be the place to start.
And you claim no hears Bev? Have you read any of this. This whole thing was about the man who forged the letter. All that was being asked was for him to be banned not try and rework a 1000 set of dog papers. A very simple situation with clear evidence has turned radical because the AKC has chosen to do NOTHING. I believe I read somewhere on this thread where he had contacted the guy responsible and spoke to him. What else do you want him to do? Go beat him up and end up in jail for assault? Threaten him? What good can he really do by confronting the guy? He's obviously a crook and doesnt care. You ever tried reasoning somemone who lives by no moral code?
If an armed robber breaks into your place are you going to go to his house and confront him or call the police. If you call the police dont you expect them to do their job? In this instance the AKC is the police. They've had the evidence they need hand delivered to them so there isnt much work for them to do.
Are you addressing me personally? If so, why are you railing on me? I'm not your stinkin' enemy, lol. Never once have I said anything about this situation being good - for either side, or that I've condoned any of it. If anything, I stated several times that I don't blame Swampman for trying. What I have done is present possible reasons why AKC decided not to take action, and suddenly I have no character or integrity. Things "turn radical" is because of wild conclusion-jumping like that.
You've worn this topic out on the message board, by repeating your stances and accusing people who don't echo your chants of being just as crooked as the guy for committed the forgery. What kind of kangaroo court is that? So now I'm wondering if you will all hold yourselves to the same standard you accuse others of not having. All of you here who have bitched the loudest because AKC won't do what Swampman wants them to do, ban the forger, willing to do the following?
- Contact AKC and tell them you are unhappy with their decision. (Be sure to demand a better reason than 13 years have gone by)
- Cease immediately registering any dogs with AKC until they reverse their decision.
- Do not attend or in any way support AKC field trials.
- Do not purchase or breed any more dogs even remotely related to the breeding in question.....ever again.
If you all are willing to do more than give lip service about this, I will set up another thread in which you can all post that you have personally contacted AKC, and that you will no longer be considered an AKC kennel, you will no longer be buying or selling AKC dogs, and you can sign your name to it. I'll even sticky the thread so people will know who not to contact if they are in the market for an AKC dog. Because God knows we don't want any time for this radical thread to blow over, and all you who have condemned AKC today, start doing business with them again tomorrow. There's no statute of limitations on character and integrity, right?
So who will be first?
Sorry if any of my posts come off as an attack to anyone other than the man who forged a set of papers. I know you arent the enemy Bev we just have different opinions on this matter. If it came across as a personal attack that wasnt the way it was intended. We're all on the same team with our love for hounds just some varying opinions on this topic.
I recieved a PM from a member here I wont mention any names that said I was bragging about registering a half breed gyp with the AKC and to not buy any dogs from me and that he spared me the embarassment by sending it through a PM. Just goes to show you how out of hand these things can get as I've never registered a dog through the AKC? Theres no need to spare me through a PM I have NOTHING to hide.
Take your kids huntin and you wont have to hunt for your kids.
Patch was correct i did leave out a word it wasnt directed towards you Bev. I dont have any ill will towards anyone on here. I dont agree with somes opinions on this matter. Big deal I dont agree with my families opinions on several matters. Part of life. My intention was not to offend anyone only to DEFEND what I feel is right. Nothing more nothing less.
Take your kids huntin and you wont have to hunt for your kids.
If this type of issue arises again and the dogs in question are still alive, this AKC Policy can be used.
Customer-Driven DNA Complaint Policy (May 2002 Board meeting).
Effective July 1, 2002: Any AKC customer who questions the recorded parentage of a dog or litter may submit a complaint in writing to the AKC requesting DNA testing. The complaint must be accompanied by a deposit of $500.00. If the allegation is sustained the deposit is returned. If the allegation is not sustained, the deposit is forfeited and becomes the property of The American Kennel Club.
In cases where parentage is shown to be incorrect, AKC will work with customers to correct the registrations of dogs and litters when possible. The responsible parties will be billed for the DNA processing costs and registration correction fees. Registration services will be placed on hold until payment is made. When corrections cannot be made, the necessary registrations will be cancelled. The AKC disciplinary procedures will apply to exclusions discovered as a result of this policy.
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And if he posts another Private Message for the world to see, it will be gone, too. The private messaging feature here is just that - nobody's business. It's the only option on the board to resolve a difference or speak to someone in confidence. To post in public what somebody said to him in private without asking the guy's permission first was a low-down thing to do. Interesting that you came back to get a second helping of it.
I will be posting a policy on the use of the Private Messaging feature soon.
I don't know if that's an all round good idea or not.
What if i get a couple of pups from Lee, and pm him on how nice they are and how they started at 5 months old and are running rabbits all night. Then they start maturing into a style hound I don't like and I come on here and say, the pups from Lee are worthless and don't know how to run a rabbit. The damage is done and I don't have to say they weren't my style and Lee can't use my pm to prove that I liked the puppies or that they even hunted and ran a rabbit.
I just think you have the right to rebuttal what's said in public with proof of what's said in private, if the public statement is damaging to you and the pm can get at the real truth.
I know nothing Rebel ever pm'd was ever brought up.
lol......I can't help but laughing. People getting all high and mighty over PM's being made public. Wasn't that long ago some of the same "cops" were sharing PM's with the enemy, in order to make themselves look better. My how times change........
It stands, Patch. Private messages are not to be posted on the board - by me or anyone else. This place is not a court of law. You will have to use evidence you collect against the people another way.
I don't remember sharing PMs with anyone. I do remember providing IP addresses that were requested, and warning that they are not a "lock" on anyone. I also remember after learning i was duped, opening this place for the full defense of the wrongly accused. But yes Randy, the times...they do change -- and yet here we still are, all of us. No good deed goes unpunished. Once burned twice learned, What goes around comes around. Karma's a bitch. The past does not equal the future...... and finally, Real friends love you beyond their use for you. All kinds of sayings apply.
Before I lock this thread, I want to refresh everyone's memory of some changes that were posted a couple of years ago. They are pinned to the top of the message board if you need to refer to the actual post:
by Bev » 09 Feb 2009 11:47 pm
Stony, Pike Ridge and I just got done with an hour-long web meeting where we discussed the administration of this board. There are going to be some changes that some of you won't like, most of you I believe will.
1. There will be no slamming the board, its rules, or the moddys (including me). You are a guest here, and you will have to show respect and manners -- even if you disagree with how we do things. We have a PM feature if you want to object to something. If you think you are at liberty to embarrass us or hold our feet to the fire over something, you are wrong. We will start deleting any and all posts we find to be of an insulting nature that are aimed at those providing you this forum. If we find we have to delete your posts often, (and you aren't learning from your mistakes) then you will be gone. When dogs bite the hand that feeds them, they don't stay in the kennel long.
2. We have created an Administrator's forum that is accessible by only us. We will utilize this forum to keep each other updated on who had to have corrective action and when. The info will stay there forever. If we find you have a history of coming here mostly just to stir a turrd, it may be a deciding factor if we are considering termination of your membership.
3. Do NOT make slanderous remarks or pick fights with other board members. This is not kindergarten. It's an adult discussion board where ideas are shared and sometimes debated. It can be done in an adult manner. Read this part carefully. I don't care if you have a quick temper. I don't care if you are just a teenager. I don't care if somebody said something about you first. You do not get a pass from me. I don't care what your particular problem or excuse is. If you attack others personally, you will pay the price. Disagree with them all you want, but do it respectfully.
If you are pi$$ed right now reading this, then it probably applies to you especially. If You are glad to see this, then you are the type of members we want to attract and keep. We will not let you be abused, and we will not be abused by message board thugs.
Bev wrote:It stands, Patch. Private messages are not to be posted on the board - by me or anyone else. This place is not a court of law. You will have to use evidence you collect against the people another way.
I don't remember sharing PMs with anyone. I do remember providing IP addresses that were requested, and warning that they are not a "lock" on anyone. I also remember after learning i was duped, opening this place for the full defense of the wrongly accused. But yes Randy, the times...they do change -- and yet here we still are, all of us. No good deed goes unpunished. Once burned twice learned, What goes around comes around. Karma's a bitch. The past does not equal the future...... and finally, Real friends love you beyond their use for you. All kinds of sayings apply.
Ok, i'll agree with your rules.
But, can you point out to me just what i said that warranted a warning be sent to me?
I think if a warning is sent, the particular infraction should be noted so one won't repeat it again, sound fair.
