Why do people really complain about being "cheated"?

[hubertsoutlaw]

Some people love running dogs. I am one of them. There was rabbit hunting before trialing and it will be there after. I put a lot of time in my dogs. Anyone that knows me, knows that I run my dogs all the time. I take my family some, and they enjoy it. It takes alot of time from them. I am not a wealthy man and I go to field trials to win. I don't put bad dogs in field trials. Not implying that anyone else does. If it is you robbert, you are one that pounds your hounds too. I am the kind of person that can admit when my hounds have been out performed. It is hard for most people to admit. I don't have the best dogs out there but they are good. I love field trialing under honest people. You can do that in AKC mid-west. Is that not something all AKC people should be able to be proud of. Our format rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS Feed what you run and run what you like!

[PREACHERS,KENNEL]

i like what i read about the akc midwest just no clubs anywghere near me that i know of sure would like to try one!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I really enjoy the akc midwest, but my question is this.If it is so honest why do we follow judges around to achieve wins? If it is run under the bylaws of run to catch hounds which it does say, why are they slowing dogs down ? Another question if the akc is run under 1 set of rules why do we follow judges Dont say we dont all do it.Is it wrong i dont think so just asking a question.We all bitch and moan about formats Midwest is the best too me and i have achieved the least in it.
I just like the guys in it. For the na sayers Fast dogs dont run clean lines so dont even want that answer.Once again i am just asking a question
The arha, my bread and butter for 18 years.Pretty long time.I have seen the peaks and been in the hollars of it.Most if not all my friends came from it . The formats ahhhhhh, It needs tweaking on certain DARK areas.1.How big is a check area? I will always defend the arha like a little brother but it has seen brighter times,still a good org.They kinda lost me with the new rules this year for hoy.WTF.But i will always say grands are pretty sweet when they got there the right way.There are some duds but there are dud fc too.Me personally i just wanna run dogs.
But i wanna win too.Once again i am not bitching only stating what i think to the best of my knowledge.

[hubertsoutlaw]

I use to love ARHA back in 2002, and 2003. I think every thing for ME went down hill from there. I like some of the rules still. The off game rules are great. The jumping a rabbit is great. I don't disagree totally about measuing dogs, but it really don't make me any difference. I run against anything. There are some great rules that I wish I ran under. It is not about following judges around that makes akc great. It would be hard to follow a judge because of the few trials there are. The style of dog is what is so impressive. The line control, the tight check, the long drives, and some dogs with outstanding foot that can really do it right. It isn't always that way, but for the most part, it is. The dogs having to jump or run a rabbit to win. More than one hound coming back from a pack. If you have ever watched a winners pack in the mid-west, you don't know what you are missing. THE JUDGES. I don't believe I have ever been cheated in AKC since I have ran. I have thought I may have done better in a few packs, but I have not been cheated. That is why this format is awesome. If you look at the FIELD CHAMPIONS that have come from this fromat, they are great. Sorry for getting off the subject though. JEREMY

[BlackRiverBeagler]

For those that think there is no cheating in the ARHA, OPEN YOU'RE .

Either you cheat or get cheated, and most of the time both, THAT'S THE ARHA WAY

I bet there ain't a judge out there in little pack that has not cheated for a buddy, or cheated against an enemy.

I judge in LP, and I have NEVER cheated for a buddy, or vice versa. I'm so sick of people saying they got cheated, because they heard their dog get 3 checks, but were onlt scored 1 or 2. You can only score what you can see, and since none of us can fly we aren't going to get to every break down. I bust my ass through all kinds of terrain to get to everything, and be as fair as possible. I also let everyone know when I'm reading off score if I couldn't get to a check, and I appologize to the whole cast. The only people I see complaining at hunts, are the same ones over and over whether they win or lose, and 90% of the time it is someone who has never judged a single cast. I'm from sw michigan and I feel like we have some super judging here, and everyone respects everyone. Guys that constantly complain of being cheated need to stay home, or quit crying and get their judges license.

[TenneseeTwister]

You can admit it or deny it, what ever makes you happy.

[nky beagler]

i think a lot more people wouldnt feel cheated if at the big hunts the same dogs or handlers/owners got to the finals these dogs or handlers seem to always get the breaks but i dont think ive ever seen a dog thats on his A game every week ive seen big name dogs go the wrong way and get down a bunch of points only to get back in the pack over the hill somewhere with only the judge and come back with just enough checks to win i have actually witnessed judges come back and say well that was that dog that won a big hunt or that was so and so's dog i had to tie him about 90 % of the time when you go out especially in the big hunts you know whos going to win before the dogs are ever cast

[Hatfield]

Hatfield, I answered a question. It is not about like or dislike of a person. I didn't say one thing that wasn't the truth. If nkc or akc people can't handle my opinion they don't have to like me. That is thier right! I didn't put the post, I answered it as honestly as possible. Since you are the critic, where did I lie.

PS I love the AKC format and if more of AKC members would unite like the arha people do, we would bring alot of people. I don't crawl under rocks or stick my head in the sand. Not for you or anyone else.
JEREMY!

You don't don't have to bash others in order to make your or your format look good. A positive approach is always best if possible,
I think the AKC SPO rule book when followed properly is a set of oppinions a hound can be properly scaled by. I have often said. It is written the way I would have written it. You can't be in much more aggreement than that with anything, CAN YOU?
Let me ask you this does mid west or does Ugbf follow it the right way, cause we all know the brace guys don't. Are you so gung ho about the Mid west the AKC or the SPO rule book?
I feel like NKC rule book ties the hands of judges to the point the best dog doesn't always come back, but it is still fun. I trial for fun and I own dogs to hunt with.
I am the first to tell you I don't win much, but I still run the same kind of hound I take out with my gun.

I don't care what format you run your not going to always agree with the way you were judged. AKC NKC UKC PKC LMNOP or what ever. We all defend the format or formats we run, but honestly we know they have problems and are much less than perfect.
IMO some people live through their hounds a little more than is healthy mentally

[BunnyBuster12]

I am with Jim and judge to the best of my ability. I do make mistakes while judging but that is not cheating. I also miss some scoring due to the fact that I have not yet learned to fly. During the trials I have judged, I have sent friends dogs home and also sent some on to the next round. I feel that often the rules of ARHA don’t allow the better dog to advance to the next round. A significant amount of the beaglers out there take trialing more serious than I do. I trial for fun and when I take a good dog I expect to win. If I don’t that is ok I can still go home. Cheating is not worth it I like to sleep good at night.

[tommyg]

If you don't want Cheated don't Trial,either that or grow thicker skin. It happens,we all know it,I've took a few but I just decided that the argueing wasn't fun,now I can have a good time at a trial because I don't take them seriously. I go to see friends and make new ones and watch a few Hounds go. My 9 year old son likes it so we do it,other wise I would be just as happy out with a friend running or soloing a young hound. I realy don't see alot of blatint cheating I see the rules not being followed for what reason I don't know but its become a real problem in some formats. I like AKC SPO if the rules and guidelines are followed I belive they promote a gun dog,or at least the type I like.

[hubertsoutlaw]

A Hatfield; The loser thing was a little out of controll . If you would have put your OPINION up here I would have called you out for one. I just told it like it saw it. I have ran both formats and that was how I saw it. If that how you feel, thats cool. I will remember it though. Jeremy

PS Get the brown off you nose!!!!!!!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I use to love ARHA back in 2002, and 2003. I think every thing for ME went down hill from there. I like some of the rules still. The off game rules are great. The jumping a rabbit is great. I don't disagree totally about measuing dogs, but it really don't make me any difference. I run against anything. There are some great rules that I wish I ran under. It is not about following judges around that makes akc great. It would be hard to follow a judge because of the few trials there are. The style of dog is what is so impressive. The line control, the tight check, the long drives, and some dogs with outstanding foot that can really do it right. It isn't always that way, but for the most part, it is. The dogs having to jump or run a rabbit to win. More than one hound coming back from a pack. If you have ever watched a winners pack in the mid-west, you don't know what you are missing. THE JUDGES. I don't believe I have ever been cheated in AKC since I have ran. I have thought I may have done better in a few packs, but I have not been cheated. That is why this format is awesome. If you look at the FIELD CHAMPIONS that have come from this fromat, they are great. Sorry for getting off the subject though. JEREMY

Jeremy, I dont see any brown nosing in hatfields post.Maybe you should re-read yours.

[mike crabtree]

Jeremy, I dont know you, but I do know Hatfield pretty well. He dont need to get brown off his nose, but keep it up and you will have to pick your teeth up off the ground.

[tinymwoods]

Jeremy, I dont know you, but I do know Hatfield pretty well. He dont need to get brown off his nose, but keep it up and you will have to pick your teeth up off the ground.

[hubertsoutlaw]

What ever. I guess, I was in the wrong for voicing my opinion. As for picking my teeth off the ground, OK! I am a lover not a fighter. I have to have back surgery so It probably wouldn't be much of a fight. I will let you all blow the smoke. I will not retaliate. Thanks for blowing it way out of proportion. Jeremy