Another One Bites The Dust.....

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:44 pm

I with you MSU. I don't have the desire (personally) to kill such a integral part of the ecosystem, as they are a necessary part of the food chain.
However, I don't condem those who want to shoot/trap/whatever wild felids/canids because we, too, are a factor in conservation.
I am a wildlife rehabilitator and understand that hunting is a part of "checks and balances", but if giving the choice of taking the life of such a creature or saving it's life, I would have to save it's life. That's just my nature. Guess you wouldn't want me as a neighbor.. (except for the dozens of rabbits and squirrels and dozen of so fawns I rehab & release yearly)

J Rooster · Post by **J Rooster** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:45 pm

Well I'll tell you what I think. Kill all of those pretty cats. In season or out of season. Throw them over the hill, eat them, or give them away. MSU you sound like an idiot saying those things. Come on I bet that over half of us on here has killed an animal illegal. Heck I bet that half has even took those animals and threw them over the hill. So MSU shut up about the stupid bobcat and be a man. I just wish xdawg had a truck load of dead bobcats so he good post some pictures.

Way to go guys. Kill them all.

Hatfield · Post by **Hatfield** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:32 pm

I hate cats!

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:01 am

Hi guys. Sorry I missed all your posts. I will try to answer your comments to me as I can.

xdawg: IMO trapping for fur is not a good reason to kill. You can buy a coat. But if we're going the fur route, why not kill a bear? No reason in killing many bobcats & tossing the meat when you can kill a bear & have more fur, warmer fur plus a freezer full of meat as well!

As for legality, it is not a matter of legality, it is a matter of killing a beautiful animal just to bolster one's ego. I don't have a problem w/ killing the cat, I have a problem w/ why the cat was killed. Now if the fellow were a mountain man who killed the cats to clothe himself lest her freeze to death that may be a horse of a different color. But that isn't the case here. Look at the picture. You've got a well-fed, well-dressed man in his nice cozy house. There was no "need" behind the killing of that cat. That cat was killed simply for bragging rights.

hounddog: I can see your point of view. But what is the reason for open season on squirrels? There are enough predators of the squirrel to keep them in check. Yet there is a season for them. Could it be just b/c squirrels are tasty & ppl like to hunt them? That's what I'd think. In fact, I'd venture to say that most hunting seasons (w/ the exception of deer, bear & maybe fox) are put in place not for the animals' sake but so they can be harvested for either human consumption or human pleasure.

jogletree: I think a heavy horned buck can be pretty on the wall as well - so long as the meat is also on my plate! What bothers me is not that the cat was killed, but that was killed for no reason other than human ego.

TC: I am not trying to "take away your rights." How absurd. I just think it's sad that a beautiful creature was killed just some some guy could inflate his ego.

I live in an area heavy w/ both bobcats & yotes. The cats have never been a problem. Yotes on the other hand have been a problem & I have no problem w/ someone who kills yote or any other dangerous animal. And don't worry, I won't be trying to pet any bobcats. I know enough about them not to try that!

As for cats ruining a henhouse I'll bet they could. But so do foxes & feral dogs. So why dodn't we see anyone one here posting pics of the fox or feral dog they killed? Why? B/c it's not "cool" that's why.

Bunny Runner: Thanks for the insight. I appreciate all the rehabbing you do. It's hard work. I'm glad you are so compassionate.

J Rooster: How juvenile. Grow up. And if you or others kill animals & just toss them over a hill you had better pray the Creator is more merciful than you are b/c you will be called to account.

Now I will close in saying once again that I am not anti-hunting so long as the harvesting is done for a good reason (safety, food, humane, etc.) There was no good reason to kill that cat, other than to brag about it. Defend it all you want, but IMO to kill an animal just to bolster your ego is quite sad indeed.

Buckshot · Post by **Buckshot** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:21 am

MSU DAWG,,,,,,,, YOU KEEP SAYING THE ONLY REASON THIS CAT WAS KILLED WAS TO BRAG???? I'M SORRY BUT I DON'T THINK THE GUY THAT KILLED THE CAT WAS THE FIRST TO POST THE PIC.... AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THE CAT WASN'T KILLED FOR A GOOD REASON,,,,,,,,,, HE HAS SOME LAND,,, MAYBE THE CAT WAS EATING HIS CHICKENS,,,,,,,, AND ALSO HE TRAPPED THE CAT,,,, MAYBE HE WAS TRAPPING FOR YOTES AND THE CAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE TRAPPED INSTEAD........ I THINK YOU NEED TO GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU GO CRITICIZING SOMEONE ABOUT WHAT THEY DID OR DID NOT DO..... JUST MY INPUT.........

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:25 am

Thanks for the input Buckshot.

I understand the pic was put up by a friend of the "hunter." But I must ask - if it wasn't killed to brag, then why did the hunter pose w/ it's lifeless corpse? If there is no bragging involved then why photograph yourself w/ the animal other than to show it off?

I'm sure if it was a chicken killer it would have been mentioned. But it was not the case. Rabbits were mentioned, nothing else.

If it was trapped by accident I doubt the trapper would have to eagerly posed for a picture w/ the hapless animal. I have seen cats killed by accident & no one drug the animal home to have their pictures taken w/ it.

jogletree · Post by **jogletree** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:22 am

You say you don't mind killing a coyote? What do you do with that meat? Surely you don't eat it. We just use it as bait for the next one. It's not cool to kill a feral hog or fox? I have got a whole roll of film of the hogs we've caught live and those we've killed. As for a fox, I have only seen one when I had a gun in my hand, but there were also some does feeding nearby and I opted for my intended quarry that day. And yes, that deer meat allways makes it to my plate or those of others who would like some.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:29 pm

I stated before I am not opposed to hunting if the animal is being harvested for safety reasons (yotes, hogs) or the table (deer, rabbit, squirrel). But I do not agree w/ killing an animal for ego.

I don't mind the killing of a coyote b/c if the yote popluation gets too large they will pack up & become a danger to both humans & animals. No, we do not eat yote meat, but it is essential yotes be kept in check for safety reasons.

Hogs are a pest species. They are also very dangerous & need to kept in check as well. Plus, they're pretty tasty!

As for it being "cool" to kill hogs & foxes, I know many ppl who think it's cool to kill any "tough" species. This includes bears, hogs, wolves, any wild cat & sometimes yotes. Hogs are tough & deadly & getting one is often a big "to-do."

I've not seen a hunter ever bosting about killing a fox, although in most cases foxes are very wiley & it often takes a wise hunter to get one. I think this is b/c foxes are on the whole small creatues & bagging one is not as "manly" as bagging other more dangerous species. There is little to no "cred" to be gotten from killing a fox as there is for killing a yote, hog or a bobcat.

But the killing of yotes & hogs is essential, while the killing of a bobcat is not, unless that specific cat has become a problem (killing chickens, etc.). This did not seem to the the case in this situation. As I mentioned before if the cat were raiding chicken coops it would probably have been mentioned, but it was not.

xdawg · Post by **xdawg** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:48 pm

MSU Dawg,

Unless you plan to take this same stand on photos of every dead animal that someone is posing with i'd suggest you drop this. Every day there is a picture posted on these boards of someone holding a dead rabbit. As far as you know they may just throw the rabbit over the bank after the photo....

The cat was trapped legal.... If you have a problem looking at it i'd suggest you don't.... Or maybe better yet.... Post elsewhere... Just like you and the cat... I'm getting tired of reading your "POOR LITTLE CAT POST".

Kinda sad with all the actual crimes and bs that goes on the world you've decided to jump up on your soapbox and take a stand against someone who is actually working to make a positive difference on the rabbit population of his own farm... He traps to lesson the amount of preditors on his farm... Thats his reason....

-Jack

xdawg · Post by **xdawg** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:54 pm

UPDATE-Another One Bits The Dust....

Keep up the good work Tom....

-Jack

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:07 pm

xdawg - I don't have a problem w/ dead animal pics. I've been here a while & you've never heard me say anything about the rabbit pics. That is b/c I don't have a problem w/ ppl killing rabbits as most who kill them eat them.

As for your friend killing the cat, why does he want to keep the predators down? Does he raise fowl or other small livestock the cats could hurt? Or is he just threatened by the cats' presence & worried they will eat up all his rabbits? Is he really wanting to make a "positive" impact on his rabbit popultion or is he more interested in making a "positive" impact on his rabbit hunting outings? Not trying to be a jerk, just curious.

As for myself, I do take a stand on other issues. But this is not a forum for those issues.

BTW, nice fox pic. But where is the proud hunter?? I noticed he's not in the pic.

Briarhoppers · Post by **Briarhoppers** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:31 pm

Since we are posting pics of preditors.....here is the biggest bobcat I've ever seen or heard about in TN. I see bobcats and coyotes pretty often here in middle, TN. while deer hunting. I shot this big cat b/c he was the largest one I had ever seen. Took him to a taxidermist who has been in business for over 30 years and he said it was the biggest he had ever seen and didn't have a form large enough for him. Official weight 39 1/2 lbs. 1 hr. after I shot him. Most tom bobcats around here weigh in the 22 - 25 range.

xdawg · Post by **xdawg** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:05 pm

MSU Dawg,

I've been sitting here thinking this was some kind of joke or something (someone on a rabbit/beagle board arguing the legal trapping of a know rabbit predator...)

Anyways now i think you are being serious... So seriously, the guy runs his dogs year round and doesn't wish to kill the rabbits. He is simply betting the chances of keeping good rabbit populations in the places (his land) that he runs. See he UKC trials (DO YOU TRIAL?) and in UKC you guide cast back to your own spots and its important to make sure you have a good rabbit population to have a successful cast.... All of this is plenty of reason for a man to legally trap bobcat and or whatever he wants to help his own rabbit population....

No tryin to argue.... Just tryin to keep things in check..... This isn't a green peace message board...

-Jack

J Rooster · Post by **J Rooster** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:28 pm

Msu you really sound like a dumb a--. You sound like a animal loving PETA supporter. Are you a women possing to be a rabbit hunter when the only reason you get on here is to whine about another man killing an animal. As far as I am concerned all this typing you did has not helped your case. If a man wants to shoot a bobcat in the head, post a pic of it, and then throw it over the hill who cares. How many bobcats have you seen in the wild? My guess none. Bobcats are hard to see in the wild they are smart and can avoid a human without the human even knowing the bobcat is around. So why do you think they are so beautiful. If it wasn't for people posting pictures of dead ones your dumb a-- wouldn't even know what one looked like. Msu you really need to shut your mouth because you don't have a clue about anything. I bet you don't even carry a gun when you're rabbit hunting because those rabbits are pretty cute you would hate to shoot one. Those rabbits are cute a cudly. Why do you rabbit hunt? As far as I am concerned you MSU are a IDIOT.

Bunny Runner · Post by **Bunny Runner** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:01 pm

Whoa, Rooster! I don't think ALL women should be sterotyped as "PETA" supporters or anti-hunting! There are women on this board, ya know

I don't think it is a fair statement to assume that all animal lovers support PETA. I am an animal lover, but consider PETA terrorist!

To each his/her own is my feelings on this thread. I can't see any good coming out of all this, with "name calling" and such!