Berea? How did the 15" Males End Up Today?

Tim H · Post by **Tim H** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:42 pm

Jamie there are several reasons I was not at alot of licensed trials. One is, as you stated, the All Age trials were at the same time as the licensed trials. I couldn't be in 2 places at once anymore than you could in order to be at All Age Trials.

Another reason is that at one of the licensed trials I attended, they couldn't finish the class in one day and so I had to come back the next day. I decided the time commitment was more than I cared to give.

Also, I would like to add that there were somewhere around 60 dogs in that trial and in the winners pack 5 of the dogs had 2 wins and a 6th one just lacked points for it's FC Title, my dog was in that pack. He didn't place but your suggestion that my dog just couldn't compete with good dogs and that's why I didn't run him in more licensed trials just doesn't hold water.

I also find it interesting that as you "look only at the positive" you have more than a few times had negative comments about your own Associations qualifiers.

I am not the one who is blowing all of this out of proportion. I have simply stated that there is a perception of buddy judging and it should be address. None of you disagree with anything on that issue other than you don't think it should be addressed, and you don't like me because I differ with you on that.

randy37 · Post by **randy37** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:14 pm

Thats right,judges should have nice hounds and if the hound can catch the judges eyes and the hound wins so be it. congratulation to all the winners,and those whose placed.The numbers per class at mid ky was good this tell me, beaglers thought they was going to get a fair look or the numbers would had been allot lower.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:32 pm

THANK YOU

WHEN YOU FEEL AS YOU ARE CONSTANLY GETTING THE WOOD PUT TO YA -------STOP GOING . I JUST WANT A WIN . HARDER THAN IT SOUNDS . WHEN THERE IS 50 -60 BIG 15" MALES BELIEVE ME ITS ANYBODYS HUNT . YOU KNOW THERE MAYBE SOME BUDDY JUDGING HERE AND THERE . BUT IT IS NOT CONSTANT . WHEN THERE IS PEOPLE COMPETING THERE WILL ALWAYS BE DOUBT . GIVE MIDWEST A TRY GOOD TIME & GOOD GUYS

flyboyc141 · Post by **flyboyc141** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:13 pm

fetty how many dogs did you finish before you started judging?

S.Fetty · Post by **S.Fetty** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:35 pm

You tell me flyboy (who wishes to remain anonymous). You seem to have it all figured out. How long have I been in beagles and trialing? Have I ever owned any other dogs that finished in AKC or other formats? Think way back and ask around a little.

From your profile we can see why you remain anonymous, most all posts been negative from this user! A gutless S#@+ stirrer. However, I know I met you last weekend, you were the guy sent to the truck early!

If you attend trials (not), introduce yourself at one of the upcoming ones and save the rest of the net the mindless clutter of words your puking up. Otherwise, crawl back in your safe secure little shell where you are the ultimate beagler. I'll mail you a trophy and a ribbon if you think it would make you feel special!

At any rate, this post was originaly about the 15" males at Mid Ky. Congratulations to all who placed. I have judged several of those hounds and I am sure they all deserved what they got. Don't let any of this steal your glory.

Oops, there I go again. Now I am biased again and some individuals are going to be watching me a little closer. Anybody got any predictions?

kybriarbuster · Post by **kybriarbuster** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:00 pm

I came to the midwest from nkc, two years ago. I was a judge in little pack from its conception. always heard if you dont know somebody in akc you dont stand a chance. I didnt know anybody bu me and my buddy webb said what the heck, they can cheat us but they cant eat us. we decided to try it and four trials later two firsts and two seconds with a 15 inch male. none of these judges knew me or kenny webb. so much for the you got to know somebody tales. anytime you judge and i did in nkc for many years, you are not going to see everything that goes on in every pack. what the handlers see or hear is not always what the guy out there busting his nads sees. I have never seen any form of competition that was perfect but i dont think its as bad as the rumor mill suggests, if it was the clubs would be out of business in a short order. I work in front of the public 50-60 hours a week and i can tell you first hand some people are never satisfied, and love to stir things up. If you have a problem the place to solve this is not here. contact an akc rep. and discuss it and see if you have a case. If you do pursue it if not suck it up and go on about your business. all this squabbling does is create negitivity and hard feelings. Im not getting on anybody in particular. ran beagles and coonhunted for over 25 years before trialing and it was the same badmouthing and rumors about dogs and people then too. If you dont like the format or the people move on, the grass may be greener on the other side of the fence!! all we are doing is cutting our own throats. If you cant have fun find something else to do. This is not as bad as some would like us to believe. I think if we ignored a lot of these negetive posts we would all be better off. guys the rabbits are running in eastern ky. come on down and we will run a few and have a good time. isnt that what this game is all about?? SAM LEBEAU

Tim H · Post by **Tim H** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:03 pm

I'm sure your comment about "predictions" was aimed at me since my last prediction was extremely accurate and obviously painful to you, so I'll respond.

I predict that if I entered a dog under you or any of the other judges who have been attacking me personally today, that dog would go to the truck early and it wouldn't have anything to do with the dog.

Since Jamie has been saying everything he can to downplay my dogs accomplishments even though he has never seen the dog run. Nothing in this discussion has had anything to do with my dog since my dog has not ran a Mid-West Licensed Trial for over a year and definatly was not at this trial. I can clearly see that his bias against me would not effect how my dog would get judged. Right?

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:24 pm

I have not been involved with the MidWest Association for very long but from what I have seen to date, it is a good Association with some good people in it. My experience has been limited to only two clubs, Central Illinois and East Central Iowa but there have been folks from other MidWest clubs from other states such as Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin just to name a few at these clubs. I have met alot of good people from all over and have had the pleasure of seeing alot of good dogs.
No matter what registry you trial in your going to run across cheaters. You will also run across cry babies that think they got the shaft but if the truth be known they wouldnt know a good dog if it bit them. A club will never be able to please EVERY single person when they choose thier judges.
As long as humans are judging there will be cheaters and cry babies. When robots and computers start judging we will still have the cry babies saying the robots and computers werent programed correctly.
My advice is run in the registries you like and forget about the others!

Hills Beagles · Post by **Hills Beagles** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:32 pm

Tim,

Check my credentials, I didn't win crap before I started judging, since I have been judging I still haven't won crap. Sometimes my dogs place sometimes they don't. These guys you are insulting are not cheaters, and they are not perfect. I am sure I have made my fair share of mistakes judging. As for predictions. I think there are several nice dogs running the trials right now. If someone asks I tell them the ones I like. Does that make me a cheater. I think it makes me honest. If one of those dogs I like beats the other dogs at a trial and the other judge and I give him a win does that now make me a cheater. I hope not. I would like to think it means I saw something out of a dog and I was right about what I saw. Isn't that what judging is all about. You should like the hound you give a win to and you should expect it to win again if it's a quality hound. I was at the Blue Water trial and ran against Doc. He kicked my ass to. That dog won the trial from start to finish. Shawn and I are good friends and I have ran my dogs under him several times. I have never even made the winners pack under Shawn. Maybe I am getting cheated to. Jaime let's not even get started on Jaime, he also is very honest and does more for this association than you would ever know. My suggestion to you guys is start running your hounds and have fun win or lose. There is only one happy guy who walks away from the trial, but you don't have to be miserable either.
P.S. This is not a personal attack. Just my two cents and good advice.

Brandon Hill 7406552082 and we can discuss this further. I am tired of typing and reading this crap.

flyboyc141 · Post by **flyboyc141** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:33 pm

why the attack?how many champs before and after?

flyboyc141 · Post by **flyboyc141** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:24 pm

go back and check my posts i never said anyone cheated or buddy judged.and no i did not get sent to the truck early.

Jamie Rice · Post by **Jamie Rice** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:59 pm

Sam,

You're 100% correct in stating if some of us would ignore these negative posts we'd be a lot better off. For the most part I've tried to ignore most of such for the last few months. However when someone tries to downplay the accomplishments of my dogs or my friends dogs just because we're judges... well it pisses me. I try to have a good time, but seems like you can't even place let alone win these days unless someone is trying run your name and dog down.

Tim,

You make predictions that you wouldn't stand a chance under this and that guy. Well I guess those guys could probably state the same if they ran under you. Because obviously you have the preconcieved notion their dogs didn't deserve to win just because they were judges and only placed because of such.

As for me downplaying your dog's accomplishments... Isn't that exactly what you're doing to myself and others by over emphasizing the guys that placed at this weekend's trial were judges? Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And sorry to burst your bubble, but there's only one end of the leash I judge. It's attached to a four legged individual rather two legged. Furthermore second trial I ever judged I put a win on the dog of a guy who has ran my name and my relatives' names through the mud for the last five years. Your idealogy and paranoia doesn't hold true here.

I'm done with this. My email address and phone number is easily found if anyone need contact me.

Tim H · Post by **Tim H** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:32 pm

Jamie, I never ran anyones dog down or it's accomplishments. I posted factual statistics, if you took that to be a negative on your hound then it had nothing to do with me. I did not refer to your dog in a single post that I made, nor anyone elses dog for that matter.

My posts have been about the perception of buddy judging. You have admitted in your posts that it does occur. Somehow, you saying it occurs is a more righteous statement than me saying there is a perception that it occurs.

Also, could you guys get a new playbook for this discussion, it's getting old.

It goes like this:
If someone has an opinion you don't agree with and the facts don't support you;
1) Call him an internet beagler and say someone told you he doesn't even have dogs.

2) If it comes out that he has dogs then say that they are just low quality and can't compete.

3) If it comes out that his dogs can compete then start calling him names, like crybaby and whiner and claim that he is always posting about this. (I have posted on maybe 4 threads about this in approx. 2 years)

4) If the first 3 don't work then just start talking about the first three and avoid talking about the intial issue. The perception of buddy judging.

I am not saying it is a majority of judges, quite the opposite, I think it is a small minority and have stated so many times in the past. I also don't think that we should all agree that occurs and then simply act like it doesn't.

Somebody needs to say "The king has no clothes."
I am done!!

WrongsideRandy · Post by **WrongsideRandy** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:31 am

Hey Tim, Thanks for starting my day off with a good laugh. I just read the last few posts to my wife and we both were just rolling laughing. I laughed about this stuff when it happened on the playground and I find it exceedingly more amusing when an adult does it, although a bit sad at the same time.

Remember the glass house thing.......

Take Care,
Randy

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:47 am

Randy,
Get your work caught up and get a couple of your old pan lickers tuned up and come over to our MidWest trial the first part of March! Heck you might be able to catch a ride over with Dale. The last I knew he was planning on coming again. We will have a good time reguardless!