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swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:39 pm

They need to minus dogs for over running the track in L.P.?

tbauman · Post by **tbauman** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:00 pm

Wouldnt it be called progressive pack then?

(Sorry had to say it.)

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:05 pm

I smell fish again

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:15 pm

I know fast dogs are going to over run some, but set a limit, this over running 50 yards or better is giving L.P. a bad name.

klrconcrete · Post by **klrconcrete** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:47 pm

Line control and check work are an important part of the run no matter what the format- should be judged accordingly so yes they should be scoredon this.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:09 pm

Hey swing while in pursuit of this matter will you please define range of a
check another gray area.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:23 pm

Jimmie why complicate it any worse than it already is?

Just put a clothes pen on your nose and dive in. LOL

LaMarr Rhoades · Post by **LaMarr Rhoades** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:30 pm

I am for it but really dogs that do that will pretty much beat themselves when they get up against a good clean running dog.Same way with a dog that swings real bad in a check area.If you have a dog that stays close and dont let the wild dog rattle it,it will check the wild dog to death most the time.

kjohn2hunt · Post by **kjohn2hunt** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:06 pm

The check area should be defined.I run fast dogs with alot of line control, and it seems I ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DOGS THAT BARK AND RUN 50FT COME BACK AND THE JUDGE GIVES THAT DOG A CHECK.Judges should realize what these junk dogs are doing and minus them .I know I do.

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:23 pm

Swing the fish smeller wrote: They need to minus dogs for over running the track in L.P.?

Are they still running that nowadays?

LaMarr Rhoades wrote:I am for it but really dogs that do that will pretty much beat themselves when they get up against a good clean running dog.Same way with a dog that swings real bad in a check area.If you have a dog that stays close and dont let the wild dog rattle it,it will check the wild dog to death most the time.

I would agree with you somewhat LaMarr if all the judges knew what the heck they were doing. Ive seen dogs that overrun and swing so far that they "happen on" to a totally different rabbit. The dogs that are working the check like its suppose to be or even close to the way they are suppose to get the check just a few seconds after the wild idiot finds a new rabbit and the judge isnt smart enough to know which rabbit is the one they are suppose to be running.
I think its good to have different formats and every format is going to promote a little different style of dog. Every format has holes. We as beaglers just need to pick a format we like and run it. The others will take care of themselves.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:33 pm

I will agree with you somewhat Larmarr but on the times dogs over run it so far and they dont have a clue where they even lost it at, because all they were doing was foot racing they all need to be minused.

Big Boy Patch · Post by **Big Boy Patch** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:13 pm

I agree with Lamar. I think there should be a more defined check area. There are alot of wild dog in Little Pack but there are many clean running dogs too. All you hear from guys that don't run Little pack is that LP dogs are wild. You never hear them talk about the many clean running dogs in LP.
Big Boy Patch
Phil Walls Jr

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:43 pm

I judge some. I cant always determine where the point of loss is because Im trying to get on the dogs, so I dont know how you could define the check area.
What about leaving a struck track. That would stop some of these lucky +10 strikes on mouthy dogs.

AFTERSHOCK · Post by **AFTERSHOCK** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:19 am

Mike, If a dog strikes in and leaves the track you can minues the dog without giving it 3 minutes ( this is in the rule book ).
AFTERSHOCK

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:53 am

AFTERSHOCK,I know it is in the rule book, and enforce it.Lots of judges dont actually enforce it. I saw dogs getting strikes for barking off the lead, when other dogs jumped a rabbit 125 yards away.