Dog shot...owner outraged......flyergroup.com

[gus]

It's pretty sad really. You have adults who share a common hobby pissing on each other over people and circumstances that they know nothing about. An irresponsible pet owner meets possibly a hot headed neighbor and the memebers of the board get in an uproar.
Go run your beagles and get a life.

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

[WrongsideRandy]

Being called a redneck isnt a bad thing..........in my opinion. I kinda like being a redneck. Now if you called me a yuppie, them thar would be fighting words,

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

Dont worry randy we cant all be perfect , and i do run every night gus

[Ralph Pearson]

I ain't much for fussin and fightin less I am defendin the old ladies honor ( and I will tell you one thing, it needs a lot of defending let me tell you ) but when I was a little kid I heard of this thing they was calling the Golden Rule. I think it went something like " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Momma explained it to us many times even though it wasn't all that hard to understand. Guess it must be harder for a kid to understand than it is for an adult.

[Jr Walker]

I AM PROUD TO BE A RENECK!!!...Wouldnt have it ANY other way.....and gus if you dont like the way we talk then dont worry about

[warddog]

Folks I'm not gonna get on here and cast any stones but I am gonna tell you two stories that I have first hand knowledge of as I live in Indiana. The first was when a friend and I were coon hunting and he had a young 18 year old boy down the road that had just bought a $1500.00 coon dog. Now this was back in the 70's and that was quite a bit of cash back then. Any way the 3 of us went hunting on some private property that was owned by my friend that we had hunted numerous times. The dogs left the property running across a corn field away from us. The friend of mine went back to drive around and the boy and I went after the dogs through the corn field when we heard them barking treed but sounded funny. We walked a little and then listened to them really pounding out that tree bark when all of a sudden we heard 5 shot gun shots and a squeal. Our hearts pounded as we headed to the road to meet the other guy and told him what we had heard. When we got to the place we thought the dogs were barking we saw one dog come to us bleeding but not badly and then another came in bleeding also but not the boys dog. We went to the door and the old guy cracked it open a bit and said if them are your dogs I shot them as they were in the barn after my sheep and the sheriff is on his way. WE went back to the truck and looked our dogs over and they appeared to be bleeding but not real bad. It's all they could do to hold me back from going to the door and dragging that guy out and giving him a thrashing. When the sheriff got there he took us into the barn to get the boys dog and it was laying there blown to pieces with two dead sheep as well. I went over and looked at the sheep and they were shot and NOT a sign of the dogs killing it. Well the officer lead us off the guys property onto the road and told us not to treaspass on his property again. He stated that he would file his report but the only thing we could do was to file suit in small claims court BUT he said he doubted we would win. Beings my dog and my friends were not badly injured we told the young boy to go file the suit and we'd be witnesses, which he did. We went to court and the whole feasco was given to the judge to a "T" and the boy lost his $1500.00 dog and the case. The ruling from the judge "The farmer had the right to protect is stock that were confined to the barn from being harassed by the dogs even though he MAY have killed them by doing so." What a sad night to witness as the young guy lost a real nice hound and $1500.00 but the ole farmer got reimbursed for the loss of his two lambs. Just didn't seem right but it was the law. I'll post the other story in another post.

[WrongsideRandy]

Yeah Warddog.....thats a tough one, I would have probably been in jail for beating that old man with swampers pipe.

One of my not so prouder moments was when I was at home working a couple of years ago.....and had one of my beagles chained in the yard. The mailman came and didnt know we was home and decided to mace my dog....the wife seen him spray the dog with pepper spray as he was walking away and laugh about it......she came out and told me what had just happened I thought about it long enough to get fired up and I took off down the road chasing the mailman. I caught him about a block away, asked him what he was thinking and when he said the wrong thing I went for his mace, he tried getting away but was not near quick enough...he finally got away and ran to his vehicle that was parked back by my house. I was yelling at him to "run but you cant hide....I am gonna catch you out of uniform" well needless to say I got nothing but a visit the next morning from 5-6 local police, the FBI and the Federal Postal Inspectors. If it hadnt been that this mailman had a past record with the postal service of being suspended 3 times for the same thing he did to our dog.......I think they would have arrested me.

Come to find out the guy claims he has a fear of dogs, real bad fear.............it looks as though even poodles scare him!!! Now I dont know if they are pulling my leg or not, but I told him I was sorry and he did the same and all is well now days.

Randy

PS. You think this can be my sign???

[Ky Scott]

This is pretty sad! All you guys say it was the owners fault I mean come on. He got home and the dog ran out the Dam door went to the neighbors and got shot for finding what its breed to find. I understand if the guy has had problems with the dog before and has told the guy time and time again to do something about the dog. Why didnt he just pick the dog up, take it to the neighbors and say he's bothering my rabbits and we need to do something about it. I bet the guy that owned the pup would of told his neighbor if his rabbits got out and came to his house. I sure get the feeling he would'nt of just shot them all. If it had been me I would of called him or took the dog to him and I expect the same respect from the people that live around me. I personally dont think the rabbits should be bothered for what there owner did but, If the law dont make him pay I'd say at the least he needs a good a$$ whoopin. If it were my dog the law wouldnt matter cause he'd get one any way. You guys that say it was the dog owners fault to begin with well I bet you're neighbors really enjoy having you around. I think the guy with the happy trigger finger should have been mature enough and responsible enough to do the right thing. Thats just the difference between right and wrong or at least that is the way I was raised and my neck is about as red as they come.

[bill baker]

i want to give all you fellows a big thank you, seems we beaglers are not only the only ones who read this trash; i had a farm about 1hr. from my place i hunted on in season , run it very little out season , made drive today only to be told i could run today but no longer, because of what he was reading on tthis post, he said he would no longer allow hunting because if he would have to use force on a dog aas a last resort he would not take a beating. guys i.ve been working overtime and running my dogs as time allows did not know this bullshit was even going on until he informed me about it.try running your dogs instead of your mouths 353 acres are now off limits again thanks

[crewchf]

Hey Bill, You gotta see em go when they're trying to DESTROY A DOG REGISTRY!!! This Ain't Nothin!!!!

Crew Chief

[warddog]

Folks I'm gonna tell you the second story in which I had first hand knowledge of. This happened several years ago so this was the case even back then. My uncle's home was in the country with very few other homes around. There were several farms and one butted up to his on the back side. Every year my uncle would plant a HUGE garden that would produce great vegetables that he was very proud of. Well the famer behind him decided to raise himself a few hogs and about the time the garden was really coming on a hog or two decided that they loved thise fresh vegetables. The first time my uncle herded them back into the pasture and wired the fence back up. The second time he herded them back wired the fence and went to talk to the neighbor. The neighbor appoligized but did nothing to permanently fix his fence that the hogs were breaking down. The next year the same thing happened and my uncle went over to his neighbor but not so politely this time and of course they had some heated words. At that point my uncle went to talk to a lawyer about the situation and was told to put up NO TREASPASSING signs along his property andf the next time the man's hogs entered and destroyed his garden to shoot them. He plastered the NO TREASPASSING signs along the adjoining properties just as instructed and sure enough two nice fat hogs went to enjoying his sweet corn patch at which time he unloaded his 12 gauge on both, killing them deader a door nail. he then went to his neighbors house and told him his two sows were lying in his garden dead and if he wanted them for meat he better go get them while the gettin was good. Of course the farmer was irrate, threatened to sue him over the loss of his Sows and my uncle told him to do what ever he felt best and left. The farmer didn't come get his dead hogs so my uncle buried them. Several weeks later he received a notice that he was being sued over the farmers lost hogs and a court date was set. My uncle contacted the attorney who he had spoken to previously and was set to go to court. The farmer was there crying about the loss of his sows and offspring they could have had and put some astronomical figure together of their value along with future litters and the loss of the meat. When my uncle pleaded his case he presented pictures he had taken of ALL the times the hogs had destroyed his garden and the fence before and after the hogs had rooted through it. he also had pictures of the NO TREASPASSING signs in which he had put up all along the property lines. Of course the farmer snickered and told the judge that the hogs could NOT read those signs in which the judge asked him, "Sir can you read those signs?" Of course the farmer replied YES. The judge asked the farmer if he was aware that the hogs had destroyed the garden and the fence before in which he answered yes.
The judge then stated to the farmer although your hogs could not read the signs you could and you were well aware of the damage they were causing to both your neighbors garden year after year and to the fence they were rooting up to get into the garden. My ruling is in favor of the defendant in which he owes you nothing for the loss of your hogs. The judge then stated that in light of the fact that the boundary line fence was repetitively damaged due to his lack of responsibility for his farm animals he was ordered to replace ALL boundary line fencing and if he should have further farm animals that entered into my uncle's property he would have the full right of the law to shoot them dead regardless of the species.
So the old excuss that my dogs or hogs or cattle can't read will not fly if the property owner can show that their property is posted and it is a known fact. In order for it to be a known fact all that has to happen is for the neighbors to know that the property is posted as well.
These were both true stories told exactly as they happened as I was personally there when both happened. Take it for what it's worth to you. That's part of the reason I quit coon hunting, why I bought my own propertyand why my cousin and I pay a high price to hunt on a lease out in the middle of NO where. I hate to admit it but times have and are changing and are nothing like they were several years ago. There are loads of city people moving to the rural areas to get out of the hussle/bussle and care less about being neighborly. They have moved with the intend of building a $200,000.00 home right in the middle of your old hunting grounds and could care less about it. The true ole family farmers are going by the wayside to corporate farms that want to plant right up to the road. They could care less about being neighborly unless you keep your mouth shut while they go ahead and plant about 5 or 10 feet onto your adjoining property.

[steve w]

I am not takeing sides in this debate only trying to show even the Michigan Laws are kind of two sided like this post. I had a friend have his dog shot for the same reason as this beagle, the dog was harrasing a neighbors rabbits and the courts held the guy that shot the dog responsible for the vet bills, and even threatened to turn him over to the IRS for tax evasion. The guy in his defense claimed he sold the rabbits and the neighbor hood dogs had repeatedy killed them. They also fined him for not having a sales license and a USFDA permit or something like that. One law reads like this. Any person including a law enforcement officer may kill any dog which he sees in the act of pursuing, worrying, or wounding any livestock or poultry or attacking persons, and there shall be no liability on such person in damages or otherwise, for such killing. Any dog that enters any field or enclosure which is owned by or leased by a person producing livestock or poultry, outside of a city, unaccompanied by his owner or his owner's agent, shall constitute a trespass, and the owner shall be liable in damages. Except as provided in this section, it shall be unlawful for any person, other than a law enforcement officer, to kill or injure or attempt to kill or injure any dog which bears a license tag for the current year.

So while they say you can shoot a dog it better not have a collar with ID. Here in Michigan an ID tag is a legal replacement for a license tag. I hope nobody has to go through anything like this but as Wardog so well put it above the times are a changing.

[backyard beagler]

let me state that in none of my post on this subject did I say the guy done the right thing by shooting the dog or that I would have shot it, and I'm not blaming the dog owner that he didn't have his dog in control because I loose control of mine on a regular basics and I don't expect them to be shot, what most people were trying to say if you have the right to protect your beagles from whatever then this man had the right to protect his rabbits, just because rabbits in most peoples opinion are not worth protecting and you can get them for a dime a dozen the bottom line is our pets are no better than his and if we can protect ours so can he.

I also think its funny that people on a beagle hunting board are calling people rednecks, chances are if you are reading this forum you are a redneck to most of the world.

[AlabamaSwamper]

swamper u can,t be to smart u going to take a hose t a gun fight peewee shooter was rite u sound like a redneck most likely look like a redneck here,s your sign.

Redneck? LOL I guess so.

At least this Redneck has enough education to type where people can read their post.

SOme of you still don't get what some of us are saying. Yes, problem dogs sometimes need to be shot. There is no arguing that one little bit. If I had a dog that was a problem all the time the neighbor wouldn't have to worry about shooting it for me. He would be dealt with before the problem got out of hand. Trust me, I've shot my share of problem dogs and most were wild or just mean as heck.

Loading a 8month old beagle up with buckshot is no way to solve a problem. Again, going by the information I got from the story, this was handled in the wrong way.