Proposed Rule Changes in NKC Little pAck

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

1. Y
2. Y
3. Y
4.Y
5.N
6. Y
7. N
8. Y
I agree with most rules they want . Slashing dogs usally cant run there own rabbit anyway. Big dogs dont belong . I want to keep my points .
Checks are gonna get screwed up anyway majority of judges are 100 yards behind. If dog hits off game should be scratched.A honest judge scores every rabbit and will tell the score after each race . I am more for that rule than any, dogs need to be measured from hunt pose not show pose.

[ANTHONY KERR]

Another few propsals are 13" and 15" cast divisions, allowing casts to be run in enclosures, and disqualification for not hunting for 10 consecutive minutes in a cast.
I guess we will see what happens and adjust from there. I think some of the proposals are good. I think running off game is running off game no matter how long or how many protests you pay for. Running in an enclosure would not give all the dogs the oppotunity to run off game and in 10 minutes any deer in a pen is long gone. I have seen them flatfoot out of a 6 foot deer pen and not even touch the top wire. If you concede 15.5 people will bring 16.5 and so on. I agree with catfish on getting to decide if you champion now or later. Maybe HOY should have a seprate division all together and run off game. I used to think you could breed to reputations or merits now I am not so sure. I think a true HOY or grand champion for that matter should be turned out on off game and refuse to run it before they attain the title. It should all be about improving the breed and making future "rabbit hounds that will be exactly like the type of dog that you would select to take hunting".
Anthony

[Collins Country]

Quote: FROM STONEY BRANCH
3. To get a champion certificate a dog must hunt, circle a rabbit and a gun fired over him in a one hour time period. Certifiation commitee will be made up of state representatives.

Every format should do this. In the formats that I have ran in that did this the only people who didnt like the idea were the ones that owned dogs that couldnt circle a rabbit on thier own.


I STILL SAY I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THIS. LITTLE PACK WAS SET UP THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE LITTLE GUY. THIS IS JUST ONE MORE STEP TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE LITTLE GUY AND MAKE IT TO WHERE ONLY THE BIG BOYS PREVAIL. IT WILL BECOME WHO YOU KNOW, NOT HOW GOOD YOUR HOUND IS!!!!!!!!!!!!


PERSONSONALLY I SAY AGAIN, I AM AGAINST ALL RULES CHANGES!

STINNET SAID IT BEST, "LEAVE LITTLE PACK ALONE."

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

So you say lets never improve on a format that has over 60,000 dogs .?
I think nkc should have stockholders, we the people as a body vote in and out changes. The thing has exploded beyond Everett Morgans wildest dreams . I fill some changes should and will be made , I dont think its about the money but lets get the cream more towards the top . How many swing cutting dogs have beat you in a cast ? Did you think your dog should of gotten the check or the path walker that fed off your dog ? If your dog is 16" leave him at home . Some dogs will not stand straight so that rule is kinda silly. I was 9th in points for hoy . I championed out ,should i cheated and held him back ? Come on collins country
think about it . I am against any type of enclosure but thats what its coming down too. There is some good proposals . Lets vote

[Chain rock]

I had never really heard of the certification rule until this post , because I dont know much about any of the other formats, but it seems to me that this is a no brainer, if you really want to improve the breed, who wants a champion dog that can't run a rabbit or that is gunshy. Most of the people I know, including myself hunt what dogs we take to trials. I know that thier are certain times and certain places where it might be hard to get a rabbit up, but if you want to improve the breed my thinking is this should be included. Just my thoughts.

[yellowdog]

1.y
2.y. the dog that drives out should get scored
3.y
4.y
5.n
6.n
7n.
8.n

if a dog cant circle a rabbit back to the gun and be fired over how in the world could you ever consider it to be a champion?...if a dog runs off game take it home! if your dog is over 15 tree coons or somethin..jmo

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

True gun dogs should always prevail . Speed is fine and a option, just nice to have but in eastern part of ky I really dont think its needed

[Chain rock]

I agree that speed would be an option, and nice to have and probably dont need it much in rough areas like Eastern KY. I will always look for hunt in a dog before speed or anything else. You can make about every dog come back to you , but can't always makem' go.

[Collins Country]

WELL IF ONE WANT TO CERTIFY, RUN PP. IN ONE WANTS THEIR DOG SHOT OVER, RUN AKC AND PP. THE THING IS I DONT TRUST THE STATE REP I KNOW TO DO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!

I CAN GO ALONG WITH 10 SEC CHECK AS WELL AS THE DOG THAT FINDS IT. I CAN GO ALONG WITH 40 POINT FOR JUMP.

I CANT SEE A DOG RUNNING A DEER AND THEN STILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN A CAST OR HUNT.

AS FAR AS MEASURING, WHAT IF THE GUY MEASURING THE DOG IS UPSET WITH YOU CAUSE HE THINKS YOU CHEATED HIM EARLYER, AND SAYS I'LL JUST MEASURE YOU OUT BIG BOY! AND HOW MANY CAST ARE JUDGED WITHOUT A SORE LOSER?

BUT AS FAR AS GETTING A FIRST AND NOT MOVING ON, I AM TOTALLY AGAINST THAT. THERE ARE GUYS THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH RUNNING GRANDS INTHE OPENS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, JUST FOR HOY. IT IS NOT RIGHT FOR THE GUY WHO BRINGS HIS YOUNG DOG TO ITS FIRST HUNT AND HAVE TO RUN AGAIST THAT.

BESIDES WHO WILL MOST OF THESE CHANGES HELP? THE OFF GAME IS JUST FOR THEM THAT HOF THERE DOGS, OR RUN FOR HOY.

WHEN A DOG ACHIEVES 100 PTS AND A WIN, IT SHOULD MOVE ON!

YES THERE SHOULD BE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT LETS KEEP IT LITTLE PACK. JUST BECAUSE PP CERTIFIES DONT MEAN LITTLE PACK SHOULD.

I JSUT BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMETHING GREAT NOW, WHY TRY TO TURN IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE TO BENEFIT A FEW WHO ABUSE IT NOW?

[MURL-BEAGLER]

I agree, if you don't like little pack, there are other formats. Why stay in little pack when you could go to another format and get what you're after.

[yellowdog]

what would be the problem with certification?...not trying to ruffle any feathers here but if your hound cant circle a rabbit back to the gun in an hour and be fired over how on earth could you or anybody else even want to own it or call it a champion?...again i aint tryin to be a horses ass but aint that what these dogs are suppose to do circle rabbits to the gun?...

[Chain rock]

I just dont see where it would be a big deal to take your champion dog out and let he/she circle a rabbit and shoot over'm. Now if the certification depended on the handler rolling the rabbit I would be worried because my freezer is kinda empty. :

[MURL-BEAGLER]

yellowdog, I don't nessasarily have a problem with a dog certifying, but with the ones that's going to do it. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers either, but if one doesn't like a format, why on earth would anyone spend bunches of money to run it??

[Collins Country]

HERE! HERE!

[yellowdog]

i like the format i aint saying that at all...but if they were to start certifying i dont have a problem with that...the same as i dont have problems with dogs over 15 staying in the box ....i will continue going to lp trials and the rules dont bother me but if changes are gonna be made all i am saying is make the right ones thats all....