Trash running 101

sav · Post by **sav** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:28 am

My pups are progressing nicely and get on a hare most times out, even though the conditions are not ideal. Last night I lost them for 5 hours to what was an unusual run, they weren't opening much but where covering ground fast, maybe a 1/2 mile loop. I don't know what they where on, so what are some things to look for to determine if they where on a deer run? Do all your hounds go out of hearing often when running hare?

I know they run hare because I often see the one they are running, but the usually do small loops, maybe that's because the are on juvenile hare?

I won't be running them again until I can get tracking collars which might take a month or more, do you think this is a mistake or could it set them back permantley? I don't know what to expect when I let them loose next, there is no question the can outdistance me, and I'm a little afraid of losing them again, they showed up in the yard at 2:00 am but who knows if they will the next time. Any input would be appreciated, thanks.

Chris

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:30 am

Sav where u live ?

sav · Post by **sav** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:21 am

Manitoba, Canada.

NorWester · Post by **NorWester** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:39 am

Sav........by all means get the trackers.....but also get yourself a horn and start doing recall with your trashbreaker. Like I wrote before, if you live in woods like I do here, this is necessary. Unless of course you like episodes like the one you just described.

sav · Post by **sav** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:42 am

Could I just use the tone feature on the e-collars, or do you feel the horn is the better option?

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:58 am

Dorthy ur way to far from kansas my my ol hillbilly advice.

TomMN · Post by **TomMN** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:31 pm

Sav, I train all my dogs to come in with the tone button. It realy comes in handy when they are 3/4 mile away in the brush and can't hear you.

The best way to tell if they are running deer is to put the shock collar on them and drop them on a deer where you can see what is happening.

sav · Post by **sav** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:41 pm

Thanks Tom.

Is it normal for a dog running hare to go out of earshot, what is the average loop a hare runs when not hindered by cover size? Meaning they can run where they like, no houses, roads, parking lots in the way for miles and miles.

NorWester · Post by **NorWester** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:58 pm

Sure you can use the tone button for recall, Ive seen it works well. I use the horn as my system doesnt have the tone or pager feature. Got friends that use the horn and the tone. Nice thing about the horn is it can be heard a long way and when the dogs are out there in the thick stuff they know where you are, which is a big plus if you want them to find you. I personally don't catch up my hounds........they come to me. If you spend anytime running in the deep woods its just not practical to be trying to "catch up" hounds every time you wanna leave the woods or regroup to try somewhere else.

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:28 pm

Yes, hare will take your dogs out of hearing.

beerdrinking bob · Post by **beerdrinking bob** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:16 pm

dont know much bout hare. deer will run a circle but most of the time they are alot bigger then 1/2 mile. sounds like one of my fox chases. toners are very handy but ive seen dogs get use to coming in only when toned. bad for trialing.

TomMN · Post by **TomMN** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:27 am

Sav, young hare this time of year will run just like a cottontail. If you get after an older buck rabbit they will quite often take your dogs out of hearing and back again. There realy is no average loop, it's all up to the individual hare and how hard your dogs are pushing them. Sometimes in the spring they may go up to a mile one way.

Norwester, what type of horn do you use and where did you get it? I agree with you, I don't chase dogs through the brush. It is a lot less work to teach them to come in when they are called. I'm a slow learner, it took me a few years to learn that!

NorWester · Post by **NorWester** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:17 am

Dont feel bad Tom............took me a while to realize it was easier and less stressful to have them find me than the other way around too. A friend of mine who immigrated from the UK and used to follow the hunts over there said he used a horn and could get me one also. Mine was hanging on some pub wall till I got it. Its a small brass and copper horn, a very plain version of some of the ones on this site http://www.calcuttandsons.co.uk/horns.htm , a lot cheaper than the ones on this site too I might add. Ive also seen a couple of cow made horns that sounded nice, not sure if they would have the same distance as the little copper and brass one but still nice none the less. I think you can find some on e-bay or at least they used to have them there. I wouldnt go to the woods without one. (unless of course I forget the darn thing, which happens

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sav · Post by **sav** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:34 am

Thanks guys for the info, I am going to put in some collar training in the yard before I hit the woods again. Norwester I'm like you somewhat, lots of land to run and not many roads through it, so if they get going they could run for days. I worked with them last night with the e-collars for the first time, I toned them, called them"come" (which they know), followed by some E if needed. They are both pretty smart so it didn't take to long for them to understand the process. Is this basically what you have done with the horn?

NorWester · Post by **NorWester** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:39 am

Yeah, pretty much Sav.........keep in mind its easy when they arent doing much, like just out looking to get one up. Its when they are in deep and have been running hard or are running hard that will really test the recall training. Its just a matter of getting across to them that YOU are the "safe zone" for them so no matter what,when the horn sounds they high tail it to you. This will save you a lot of grief and walking.