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TickedDog wrote:I have heard that offspring of Turbo and his grandpups not always but have been known to be a little on the trashy side compared to your average say Northway bloodline.
No kidding, I heard a guy say the exact same thing about Northway.
I have heard that said other bloodlines and specific dogs.
I have yet to own a dog that didn't chase a deer. I look forward to the first deer chase, the younger the better.
Go ahead and get them deer broke so you don't have to worry about it.
I still put my dogs on deer quite often just to make sure. I see a deer flush and I try to work the dogs that way if it is not too far off.
Maybe I'm guessing a little high on the percentage but yes they will dig and hunt with or without me.
We should hook up some time and run some.
I only have 4 counting the two pups I am running but they will go out with the best.
Planning on going to the UKC hunt this weekend in Millington and trying it out. Always been curious about the UKC Hunts.
I guess the downside to my hounds is they are not "AKC Registered"......
Seems to matter to a lot of guys but not to me that much since I have raised them all and know the background.
One that I have is a Great-Grandma' to the 2 year old I have.
The pups are 1 1/2 now and the uncle to the 2 year old.
I know all the dogs for a while in these hounds so I know the background on these hounds.
If I could find hounds that satisfy me the way these do that was AKC I would probably get some. But till I see something that proves better day in and day out I will stay put with these durn red dawgs.
Matt,
I agree totally that trash running is a genetic trait. I am by no means a master of or study genetics but I know and learn from experiences and have found it to be true as far as I am concerned.
I will from time to time get one that trys to do wrong but they are "easily" broken. But they maintain that hard drive when put back to rabbits. I don't think a dawg has to "Hard headed" to have drive and I''m sure you have known this longer than I.
Matt and goose, I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree. Bring me a pup out of a trash free line and I'll bet I can have it running a deer before it is six months old. Exsposure to the desired game for a period of time is the key. I think brains has more to do with it. Some pups learn real early, either by their parents or a straight dog they are run with early in life.
I do not disagree with you on that. Dogs are trainable. They are a track hound and can be trained to run any track, smell drugs.....etc. But if you raise them and start them in the correct manner "deer" are not an issue.
I don't like peer pressure on pups...or you could be asking for trouble.
Mine at an early age of 6-9 months will have some that can't take the pressure and most can. But to wait till latter is always a better idea.
I have a female that is nine years old. She ran no off game for the first 8 years. She took her first one last year about this time all by her self and did a good job of it too. I could have sworn she was naturally deer broke but now since this has happened, I won't believe anybody if they say their's is.
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I don't think you can call a dog broke unless you "broke" it. If it never runs a deer I guess you can't call it broke. Maybe the best way to put it is that you have a dog that has never ran a deer.
My 9 year old ran one when she was 6 months and I handled it the old fashioned way. Then I put a collar on her and led her to deer and would never touch them and has yet to run another.
Her great-grandson has never ran one and he's 2 1/2.
Her grandsons I have are 1 1/2 and have never ran one. They see way more deer than than they do rabbits.
But the thing we as handlers, owners, best friends..... fail to remember sometimes is that they are dogs and have a mind of their own and we require them to think for themselves and they like us humans will make a mistake from time to time. That I can handle and understand but I do prefer to stay with the dogs that are in the "Rapid Learners Program" so I don't spend the next 6 months trying to break the one that runs a deer.
I want a one to two at the most treatment to solve the issue at hand.
Hope that better explains my thinking. I know sometimes it is a lot harder to put it in words that to speak face to face for someone to understand your way of thinking. And it took me 2 hours to type this.
I would much rather talk face to face 'cause I type so slow. Gotta' rest my 2 fingers now. Ha Ha
I dont claim to be the all knowing expert, but I have to disagree on running trash is a genetic trait. I respect your opinoin, and it would be a boring world without some disagreement, and I disagree with your opinion. Running any game animal is passed from your dogs lineage, but I do not believe running only rabbits can be seperated out . I think if you are very careful about where, or with who you run your young dog, you stand a better chance of your dog running only what he has been encouraged to run.
Guys this is my fisrt post, I have been reading these forums for a while.
I have a opinion on this trashrunning discussion. Here we go, I believe it is possible to breed a bloodline of beagles that prefer one scent to another. Most of us breed with some kind of result in mind, and if you only breed to dogs that either did not run trash or dogs that are broke easy, and when I say easy that is exactly what I mean. I have raised beagles for 35 years and I have raised as many that never ran trash as I have that I had to break, maybe more. Here are a few things I think are a must: 1)brains-a young dog that continually has to be reprimanded is not very smart. 2)hunt-when I say hunt I'm not talking about wandering around, I mean get in the briers. A dog that is hunting hard is looking a rabbit, a wandering dog is looking a track. I have seen posts that question the desire of a dog that does not take trash, boys that is not even close to true, just a question.do you believe your better if you focus on one thing or if your doing several things. Think about it.
fellas ive been pretty lucky im new to this sport ive ran beagles for about 7 years now i dont trial much as i used to have to work on sat with my father haulin garbage but ive had dogs from all different blood lines ive had dogs from branko ive bought dogs from paul in ny i have not had the first deer race corse i wont run a young dog with any thing that i think would run one im a firm believer that if you keep a dog striaght till it is two years old or so it wont now to run anything but a rabbit if you run with trash your gonna have trash im not bashing anyones dogs this is just my point of view. also where i run is full of deer so they do have the oppertunity to come in contact with them i think a young dog has to be taught to run deer from other dogs that will run them this is just my experience but i can give you a list iof people that no me that will tell you ive never had a deer or fox run knock on wood
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[quote] HAD A FRIEND TELL ME ONCE YEARS AGO IF YOUR DOG CAN'T RUN A DEER FOR 6 OR 7 HOURS AND HUNT RABBITS ALL DAY THE NEXT DAY IT PROBLY WASN'T WORTH BREAKING.........
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