IDNR at it again....

[jackrabbit]

the folks at the Indiana Field Trialers Association have just got word from John Davis, deputy director of DNR that the corps or engineers is refusing to allow bird dog field trials on resevoir properties. this action seems very strange in light of the fact that they are sanctioned by the corps. in other states as i understand it. and horses run rampant on most IDNR controlled reservoir areas. Horses are even allowed to move about anywhere they want on the 840 acre small management area on salamonie that dogs cant be on. I am beginning to find it difficult to support IDNR agenda. Sporting dog field trialers from all segments of the sport need areas to trial. if IDNR isnt going to fulfill its responsiblility to these folks looks like the legislators will have to give them a prod. There is a summer session of the senate natural resource committee coming up mid august. please email all the senators on that list and ask them to support IDNR finding suitable land large enough to hold major field trials.

this action on your part is as important as the dog training issue. please mention both when you email them. there is a list of the senators in this months issue of American Beagler Magazine. PLEASE SEND THE LETTER OR EMAIL TO THE SENATORS THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM AS MANY OF YOU AS POSSIBLE. DO IT EVEN IF YOU HAVE SENT ON LETTER OR EMAIL ALREADY. THIS IS AN URGENT NEED.

THANK YOU
JACK HYDEN
INDIANA BEAGLERS ALLIANCE

[Don]

Jack, I can't imagine the Corps of Engineers telling John Davis Deputy director of DNR that the Corps refuse to allow field trials. I would say either the Indiana field trialers assoc. have there info incorrect or the director of the dnr is not on the level. Corps of Engineers have better things to do then tell the dnr how to manage the land, after all is this not why the DNR mangage the property????
I know I will be contacting the senators ,this is a VERY good idea,and I hope others can do the same.
Thanks for all your doing Jack,and everyone else.

[Guest]

My smiley faced did not go where I wanted on the above post,, sorry.
Jack, did you know that field trials have been going on for years on Brookville Reservoir, in Indiana. It started out yrs ago by the Brookvile reservoir manager saying we will see how it works out. Its been working just fine , and as far as I know there has been no problem. Something I would like to add about this is that the field trials on Brookville are only allowed on a designated area, which is a large area and works just fine.and if I remembe correctly there is no Hunting allowed on this area of land.
if brookville gets along with beagle field trials,why cant John Davis use this info from Brookville reservoir,to help with other reservoir propertys.

[jackrabbit]

i found out about this situation before the indiana field trialers association did don. while i was doing my research on dog training restrictions on public land one of the property managers told me about the letter. he had just gotten a copy from john davis himself. i have not yet seen the letter. i am sure it has to do with the use of horses by judges, but IDNR uses any thing it can to stop both birddog and beagle trials. its going to be difficult for both IDNR and the Corps. to explain. Salamonie is running rampant with horseback riders everywhere even in the small game mangagement area. i am not against horses on public land. its a great recreation and there is a place for it. We are going to have get more info and find out exactly whats going on, but the senators must know our feelings before the August 14 meeting in 9 days.

jack hyden
indiana beaglers alliance

[B.Trull]

Hey Jack:
Only Green Sullivan property. Convienent for Clay county beagle club ???? What about 11,000 or so acres of Minnie Ha Ha and Hilderbrand ? Not having luck with email on Indiana Beaglers Alliance web site, that is a ridiculously small amount of land. When does the Indiana General assembly conviene again ?

Brad Trull
LonePine Kennels
Bowling Green, Indiana

[what do you think]

the Alliance is seeking imput on areas to keep open. We need ideas still. they can be reservoir areas and/or regular F&W designated dog training areas. We are more than likely going to end up with ten (10) total areas left open on a year round basis. before everyone gets all their feathers really ruffled lets not forget that we are not talking very much "real valuable running time on state land. and the minihaha, hillenbrand, and other areas that do not have designated dog training areas now will have to open one up for the sportsmen to use. So while we will lose a few weeks of training the over all results will be areas where we didnt have places before. i had not been talking about this part for fear someone would send my message to IDNR and all of sudden they would realize what they were agreeing to. but some sportsmen are starting to question so i feel its time to say something.

What the Indiana Beaglers Allliance is working on is more areas open and a closed time that has very little effect on everyone as a whole. We are also asking Mr. Goss to advise IDNR that we will be watching the changes as well as everyone else and will be working with the legislators to insure that if what IDNR is doing is not working that we can get the other desiignted dog training areas re-opened at some time in the future.

We are looking to have ten designated training areas geographically located thru out the state that will stay open from april 15 to approximately august 15. All state land that is large enough to have a designated dog training area will make one and keep it open except for the dates above. As much as its seems an aggravation this is in line with what other states are doing. i have sent letters to about 30 states and gotten responses from most of them. i have also contacted some of the legislators that are backing the alliance in case IDNR decides to balk at our counter proposals.

the next summer session meeting will be in sept. and you can find it on the alliance website in the contact your legislators section. you can contact me directlly at j2hyden@earthlink.net

jack hyden
indiana bealers alliance

[B.Trull]

Jack;
Thank You for your concise response.

Brad Trull
Bowling Green, Indiana

[S.R.Patch]

The termite is not a all-round bad creature, for God made nothing in vain, but only when it gets into your house does it slowly distroy the structure under which you live.

Again I say, where is the proof, where is the study, is 'just because' good enough a reason to loose our freedom. If you are ready to give without cause, you have already lost ...

[Guest]

What is happening is not giving without reason. Much of what IDNR is attempting to do has presidence for them to do it...... i have responses from about 30 states as to how their dog training is treated. I have talked personally with the federal folks at PR/DJ in Min. i have spent several hundred hours researching the pros. and cons. of our dog training issue. i also know that there are many sportsmen that will not be willing to listen to the reasoning behind the deal we are attempting to strike. All i can say to them is where were they when IDNR was attempting to close all dog training on both state and private land from feb.28 to oct 1 of each year.And it they had the information we have they might look at it differantly. The Indiana Beaglers Alliance wants to salvage every second of sporting dog opportunity that we can, however, we must also be flexible in our approach. We have found a friend in legislature, it is the summer study committee of the natural resource committee, And if there is even a romote chance of saving more than we are looking at now we will certainly go for it..... Patch if you would email me at j2hyden@earthlink.net ( or any interested person for that matter) i will gladly give you more info. at this point its to early to say very much for fear of jeperdizing the negotiations.

thanks
jack hyden
indiana beaglers alliance

[S.R.Patch]

Why do you speak as though your pulling a fast one on them, when it's the other way around. They want their foot in the door, it is just the beginning.
I was there at the meeting. I was the one who ask Senator Hume to attend and he kindly followed through on his promise.

Keep up the fight, though I feel your marching backwards...Patch

[jackrabbit]

At this time there are several dozen sportsmen and women that are in contact with their legislators on this issue. No one is trying to pull a fast one on anyone for sure. The alliance is in constant contact with most of the legislators on the natural resource committee. Some changes will be made. we can either be a part of the solution or be considered part of the problem. Patch are you on the alliance address list. if so you should be familar with what is going on because we ask for everyones advice before we do anything. For us to take an all or none stance puts us in bad light with the legislators for sure. You should know that the lease agreement that IDNR has with the Corps of Engineers specifically states that there is to be no dog training on any corp owned properties except on designated areas. in the past the IDNR has allowed us on all reservoir properties for the most part anywhere we want...... we can raise a stink, but should they decided not to make designated training areas they feasibly could shut the reservoirs off completely and just as was done with the field trialing blame it on the feds. I dont see that happening now. There are so many other situations that tie into what we are working to achieve. just as fish and wildlife does its work and doesnt let us know what they are upto untill its to late the alliance also has some things working like that. we will make them know at a future date after its to late for IDNR to step in a mess up the works.

Thanks for imput patch... dont think for a moment we dont know what you are saying.

jack hyden
indiana beaglers alliance

[S.R.Patch]

Sorry Jack,
I thought when you posted on this board, you were asking for opinions. I won't give my view here any more for fear of letting a "cat out of the bag" in the future.

I'm on your side and something must be done.

As far as the DNR, you know what I do to a hound that bites the hand that feeds it.

All the best...Patch

[jackrabbit]

hey patch tell it like ya see it.... i do have the option of private im" if need be. the more we know about what everyone wants the more we can help. there arent enough of us willing to chase after the legislators or do the leg work to save our sport the way it is..... and i know i do come accross a bit bull headed sometimes....lol. it would be so good if when dnr told us something it was exactly as they stated it..... however, when they find out that their orginal reason wasnt good enough they dig till they find another reason, and another, and yet another untill they finally get a reason that will stick or untill those objecting finally give up.... well it aint going to work anymore. the alliance will be around as that praverbial boil on their backside from now on.....its folks like you that help keep us in line...lol.

have a gooden
jack.