help,what happened?

[SouthernBeagles]

Sorry for your loss, but that still doesn't explain why the pups were what you described as "covered in sweat."

[Alabama John]

I've been fooling with beagles for over 60 years and never had pups go to the vet. Pups don't need it and if you check out your bitch before you breed her to make sure she is wide and open, she will have no problems.
Especially if you don't let her get too fat before birthing.

I agree with some others, snake getting in and squeezing them aand mouthing them getting ready to swallow and something disturbing the meal, but unlikely since it was interrupted on all three. Could have been getting all wet, ready for a caravan swallow though.

I go with the Bulldog theory as they play too rough for beagles by nature.
I would guess it was grabbing and holding like its bred to do, and mashed something.

Sounds like a good Bulldog pup thoiugh. Ought to make a good hog dog.

[jonnyringo]

I don't think a snake in Ohio is going to swallow a four month old pup unless it got loose from the zoo.

[ycedy]

Danny,
Sorry to hear about your pups. I heard of getting bad shots from feed stores and had friends loose pups. Sometimes the feed stores dont have the brand name shots the have the off brands. Sometimes the cheaper off brands are no good. I never give pups shots with Lepto in them to start with I think it ties up their system and they can get sick. Some people dont think this is true. I/we can always what if but sometime we loose pups. I hope all works out and I'm sorry this happened.

Good Luck
Cedric

[SouthernBeagles]

I have lost pups to bad shots, I ran low, had to vaccinate three pups and bought two from the feed store. Well I lost two of the three.

They were NOT covered with "sweat" or wet at all but they did die suddenly withen a couple of days. Let me repeat "dogs don't sweat".


Based on Danny's info, I just find it hard to believe them pups died from anything other than the bulldog pup. I am sure he is a nice pup but I would not be putting him in with any more of my beagles. Bulldogs are a fighting breed, its what they were bred to do just like a beagle was bred to run rabbits. Bulldogs have powerful jaws even as pups. You don't have to get puncture wounds to get a crushed wind pipe.

[HatterasBob]

Danny re-read Leah post.

There are more bad reactions to Lepto vaccine then ALL other canine vaccines combined. Because of this, I do not give lepto shots until they are much older. Additionally, the Lepto vaccines don't treat the serovars of Lepto that we are seeing. I had a 6 month old get Lepto and it is easy and cheap to treat as long as it is caught in time. Lepto kills the kidneys.

I suspect the vaccine as the cause, and not necessarily BAD vaccines from a feed store.

[doubleb]

just because the bulldog was in there dont mean it was him the bulldog had different shots than did the beagles i just raised 3 pups in with abulldog pup an he hurt none of them an at 5 months old he weighed 80 pounds. not all bulldogs were breed to fight i raise american bulldogs the were breed as cattle hurding dogs an hunting dogs.you cant listen to all you here on tv the been running down bulldogs when they dont know nothing about them the pit bull was the only one bred to fight they put the bulldog in them for the strenth the no quit comes from the terrier in them i say it was the shots also because i have raised countless litter in the same pin as bulldogs

[mjd]

years ago my vet gave my 4 pups there shots,lost 2 and the other 2 were never the same,id been better off to have put them down,after they got sick he said his fridge had quit and wondered if the vaccines went bad,but he didnt tell me until it was to late and $100's in vet bills

[SouthernBeagles]

just because the bulldog was in there dont mean it was him

Yep, you are right BUT it doesn't mean it WASN'T him. So far, nobody has explained why the pups were all covered in sweat. DOGS DON'T SWEAT!!!
Now I don't know what happened, but given the information that the pups were "covered in sweat" and KNOWING that "dogs don't sweat". common sense will tell you they got wet somehow and the bulldog was the only one left alive.

almost 4 mos. old.i dought it was the heat,i had pups in the next kennel at 2 weeks old and the bullie was fine,it really happened too fast for parvo i think plus you can smell parvo,i know,another thing,they where soaked in sweat.maybe it was heat but why three littermated and nothing else?

My opinion don't matter, heck, I don't even know Danny but until someone can explain the sweat covered pups, nothing else makes sense except it was saliva from the bull pup. Let me repeat ONE more time, DOGS DON'T SWEAT Can someone explain that?[/b]

[danny vansickle]

the bullie pup is a tiny lil wad of wrinkles,when i found the first pup,she was face down in the water bowl,i thought MAYBE the other pups got on top of her head tryin to get a drink and accidently drowned her,so i ttok her out and fed the dogs,well,the two beagle pups would not eat or drink right away,and usualy they fight over the bowl,the next day,sunday,i went out and the beagle pups where on their death bed,no vet was open,so i did what i had to do,they where suffering,

but the 8 week old bullie pup didn't do it,now that i have thouht about it,he had probably been licking them trying to get them to play with him.

and i am so sick of hearing people say bulldogs where bred to fight,pit bulls where bred to fight and they are not even in the bull dog family,they are a terrier,i have raised them for years,raised right they are perfect pets,it is all how you raise them.

the bullie pup is an english bulldog pup,probably the most gentle of the bull dog breed,the original bulldog is what we now know as the american bulldog,they where used for hearding bulls,they would lock on to a bulls snout to tame it,they have big muscular front ends and small rear ends that when the bull shook them they would not be hurt or let go,in the 1800's,people bred pugs to the original bull dog,this cut the size down and gave them a short twisted tail,hence the english bull dog.i also breed olde english bulldogs,take a female american bulldog to a male english bulldog and you get what in call the tom and jerry style bull dog,huge head and sholders,built low to the ground,they resemble the english but are bigger and less health problems.

i am rambling,sorry,but i really don't think that lil 6 lb wrinkle ball hurt them pups,they always wooped up on him.

[Danny King]

that same thing happend to one of my buddies litter but they were 6 months or so i think the vet said it was something that started with a D i dont remmember but all i know is that the 7 way didnt have the vaccine in it for that you had to get one that had this in it. sorry i cant remmemmber what it was called i know it happed just like you say one day fine next day sick 3rd day dead. nothing he could do for it.

Danny King

[DRamey]

Danny, if they went off their feed a day or so before they died, it really sounds like hookworms or parvo. I lost 4 from a litter before worming them with Drontal Plus, the only allwormer I ever had any luck with. I was worming them weekly with a puppy wormer, white milky looking liquid. When i gave the survivors the Drontal, no more died. I would guess that the appearance of sweat was saliva from the other pups licking them when they were unable to respond.

[danny vansickle]

Danny, if they went off their feed a day or so before they died, it really sounds like hookworms or parvo. I lost 4 from a litter before worming them with Drontal Plus, the only allwormer I ever had any luck with. I was worming them weekly with a puppy wormer, white milky looking liquid. When i gave the survivors the Drontal, no more died. I would guess that the appearance of sweat was saliva from the other pups licking them when they were unable to respond.

i believe you are right about the saliva,the bullie pup drooled a llot and he was probably trying to get them to respond,poor lil guy.

is the drontal plus sold over the counter or from a vet?

[HatterasBob]

From a vet or overseas.

[CHRIS WHITT]

I agree with DRamey,It could have been worms , parvo or the injections that killed the pups but I would say the moisture came from the droopy jaws of your young bullie.Danny sorry to hear about your bad luck lately,its funny how often one gets kicked when they are down.