Have you ever????

[Brian]

Here is a good one for those of you who have a problem with putting a dog down.
Every watch (Animal Precinct) on Animal Planet Channel. I believe it is the Michigan Humane Society who has a strict policy on Pit Bull Terriers. Everyone recovered is euthanized. I have watched the show some of those dogs are young some appear to have been faught others do not. Logically it would seem that some could be adopted as pets but i understand from what i have seen that is not an option. What i am getting at is i don't believe beaglers shoot dogs for no good reason. I have seen this done but i was the last resort and the guys who did it had spent alot of time trying to help correct the dog but some of them no matter how well bred just cant make it.

[DarrinG]

So many are tossing the PETA, AR names around here. You may choose to lie down, speak a different language just because a animal-rights whacko nut, but not me. I for one am dang tired of having to watch what I say or how I say it, when there is NOTHING wrong with my words to begin with, just because someone may think I might offend some animal-rights NUT! I'm tired of the honest, law-abiding hunters being told not to wear their camo into the diner, to leave their dog boxes at home when not hunting, etc, etc., to keep from offending some anti-hunting whacko! Heck with them, if they dont like the TRUTH, then get outta the way, let `em go crawl back under the tofu rock which they came. I aint apologizing for my hunting lifestyle to nobody, especially to some touchy-feely goat-kissing tree hugger.

One of PETA's leaders favorite saying is somehting like this: "A boy is a pig is a dog is a mouse is a boy". Now that friends is a SICKO. And saying a dog is somehow higher up than a dairy cow is borderline along the same line of thinking. Whos to say that a fella cant have a pet milk cow???? Oh wait a minute...that cow has rights and has the right to choose his own friends.....excuse me while I puke.......

I would NEVER put a bullet in a dog in the field in front of spectators or anyone around. That is a personal task, if needed to be done because of aggression, deformaties, or simply a cull, that should be done away from sight of others, in as quick and humame way as possible. If I'm gonna have the fortitude to breed a dog, then I should also have the gumption to put one down if need be...and not be cowardly enough to ask someone else to do it for me. There is a right way and a wrong way to do the task...not degrade the animal but do it in a way that is humane and private. And as far as how the PETA types feel about it...they are reprobates and terrorists and I dont give a rats a** what they think about it.

[Biran]

Darrin i can't top that, you said it all and didn't cut any corners doing it.

They can flirt around with terminology and sugar coat it all they want but the outcome is still the same.

[oakhill]

Okay, guys and gals,
I did it again. Stuck my foot in my mouth.


I would like to make it know that Christine is not the Christine that emailed me all those nasty insulting comments. I jumped to conclusions and got bit in the a$% for it. Which was muchly deserved.

I offer my humble apologies to Christine!!!

Everybody needs to know that I, personally, could never shoot a hound for not performing well in the field.

Guess I'd better go pull the crow feathers out of my big mouth.

Sally

[YGD-- BUNNYBUSTER]

TO DARRIN-G
AMEN BROTHER

[mony]

Hey Christine & Boomer,

If you send the dogs to the pound it's the taxpayers that flip the bill to put your dog down. Like I said before I'll take care of my own busniess... and I guess part of yours also, since I'm a taxpayer. Either way the dog ends up dead.
One of the hardest things I've ever had to do is put down an old dog I hunted with for ten years. She was old and had cancer. When I let her out of the truck she started hunting and had a rabbit going before I got ready. I let her bring it around and put her down. I know she died happy doing what she loved.

Mony

[Christine M.]

I can see I'm not getting through.
So I'll make this my last post. Thanks to OakHill for the apology, I really do appreciate that.
Fot the umpteenth time, I am not affiliated with AR. If I was, I wouldn't hunt in the first place.
The pit bulls in Michigan are a much different story than culling beagles. They are breeding them so irresponsibly there, and there is such a horrible overpopulation, euthanizing is what needs to be done. Never said I was against culling or euthanizing.
What I am against is shooting a dog for embarrasing you, and the laize faire attitude taken on about that topic by some here. If you think that blowing out the brains of a hound is better than having it euthanized by your vet for $50, well then, go ahead and do that. You bring down your own demise, because the majority of Americans (and I think rightly so) turned off to this behavior, as are the AR idiots. You'll bring down the sport because the good beaglers will be stereotyped from your actions.

[Alabama John]

DarrinG, I don't think they would want to follow you around and interrupt your hunt. Best to go on down the road and find another truck. I bet you do not look like Elmer Fudd either.

Mony, I think what you did and the manner you did it was very thoughtful and kind. No Vet, whatever their honorable desires, could improve on your caring attitude.

[ACOMEAU]

Each to his own fella's, keep it to yourself.

[Robert W. Mccoy Jr]

This is all I'll say.

I wouldn't own a dog if I didn't care enough about it to break it off deer.

I don't have any dogs that I would shoot if they ran a deer.

I teach them at a young age not to run deer.

They wear a Shock Collar untill I know they are broke.

Sounds to me like that man didn't care about the dog in the first place or he would have had a collar on him.

If you bring dogs up here to michigan that arent broke and turn them loose with out a collar you better bring alot of ammo.

That is just sinseless to me.

I would tell that man to his face if I were to meet him.

It would also be the last time he went into the field with me.

There just dogs huh?

Not to me they arent.

[WSRandy]

In America, most states have laws against being cruel to animals......some of which carry a Felony for each death!

And I suppose that you consider putting an animal down as cruel??? So is shocking them, keeping them out of the woods for a week, taking a switch to them, etc. -- I've done each of those things at one time or another, and so have many other Beaglers, so just how much jail time do you think is appropriate?[/quote]

NEW HAMPSHIRE STATUTES
TITLE LXII. CRIMINAL CODE
CHAPTER 644. BREACHES OF THE PEACE AND RELATED OFFENSES
§ 644:8. Cruelty to Animals

I. In this section, "cruelty" shall include, but not be limited to, acts or omissions injurious or detrimental to the health, safety or welfare of any animal, including the abandoning of any animal without proper provision for its care, sustenance, protection or shelter.

II. In this section, "animal" means a domestic animal, a household pet or a wild animal in captivity.

III. A person is guilty of a misdemeanor for a first offense, and of a class B felony for a second or subsequent offense, who:

(a) Without lawful authority negligently deprives or causes to be deprived any animal in his possession or custody necessary care, sustenance or shelter;

(b) Negligently beats, cruelly whips, tortures, mutilates or in any other manner mistreats or causes to be mistreated any animal;

(c) Negligently overdrives, overworks, drives when overloaded, or otherwise abuses or misuses any animal intended for or used for labor;

(d) Negligently transports any animal in his possession or custody in a manner injurious to the health, safety or physical well-being of such animal;

(e) Negligently abandons any animal previously in his possession or custody by causing such animal to be left without supervision or adequate provision for its care, sustenance or shelter; or

(f) Otherwise negligently permits or causes any animal in his possession or custody to be subjected to cruelty, inhumane treatment or unnecessary suffering of any kind.

III-a. A person is guilty of a class B felony who purposely beats, cruelly whips, tortures, or mutilates any animal or causes any animal to be beaten, cruelly whipped, tortured, or mutilated.


As you can see Chris......I dont write the law, I just repeat it
As for your question, YES, I do consider putting a perfectly healthy hound down because it hasnt won you a trophy cruel! I know guys who have taken 6 month old pups out without collars........10-15 pups at once, and then cull them because they run deer, I think the owner should be culled

As for shocking and switching a dog.....I bet my kids would have taken the shock collar over my boot a few times! Thats not being cruel, thats being responsible! I am a parent......its my job to teach and set examples If your child stole and got caught wouldnt you punish them???? I would sure hope so Apples to apples.....I still have the same feelings, if ya cant feed em, dont breed em!

Last post on this.....I aint getting into a pissing contest over this one. No way you guys will ever convince me Hitler was a good man

Take care all,

Randy

[louis]

I am not giving my view one way or the other about shooting dogs in the field but sometimes people do tell about it in a way that gives the anti more fire power especially when its in writing and thats the last thing any of us needs. Also people who do shoot there dogs should make sure there are no kids too young to understand around so as to not turn them off from hunting because without our young coming up to take over the fight we may as well all shoot our hounds now because weve already lost.
I will say on the subject that my grandfather when his dogs got to old or sick to hunt anymore would take them out let them run a rabbit around , shoot the rabbit and when the dog got to it and was as happy as it had ever been in its life he applied a well placed shot. Instead of letting him be scared of some strange place you were talking him and some guy poking him with a needle.

[mony]

Thanks Alabama John.
Louis, I think you did give your point of view and I agree with you.

Mony

[NC Beagler]

Might as well throw in my $0.02. Shooting a dog is a legitimate way to cull. BUT, shooting a dog out of frustration or anger in the field is wrong!! It should be a well thought out last resort for a irreversible condition.

If I have failed to train a dog properly and if I haven't taken the time to work with the dog to break it off deer or teach it to obey my commands - then I shoot it in the field out of anger for not obeying me or for running deer - then I am a sorry no good looser who doesn't deserve another dog!

The Good Book teaches that we (man) have been given dominian over God's creation and are called to be good stewards of what he has given us - - I believe that includes our beagles!!

[AlabamaSwamper]

Boy Darrin, AMEN Brother. You said it all.

NcBeagler, you also.

As for the PETA folks coming in the woods, well, I'm a pretty good shot with those rifles. I think I could knock that camera off his shoulder. Might scare him pretty good but he'll live. They just better hope I don't get back to the truck before they do, it'll be a long walk home for them.

Do it how you want but do it in private. Like some said, keep it to yourself. YOur dogs is your dogs and I ain't gonna tell folks how to do it. Remember folks, shooting a healthy dog is one thing, but shooting a sick, old and aggressive dog is a whole other subject.