Dog Fighting

[Jr Walker]

ive heard the knifes get alittle ruff at times...as in when u go in to handle u can get one in ur arm or leg but i owned a old rooster with spurs probably long as knifes if not longer My grandfather use to fight them before he got sick and he passed away in April and i have to say one thing...he loved every min. of it and there is alot of money in chickens...wayyy more than hunting dogs ever got close to in some cases...ive heard of some people owning 150stags alone not counting their full grown ones and some people treat their roosters better than some people treat their kids lol

[wvduece]

i used both gaff and lk n sk jb

[jumpmaster]

Jude, I think I know where your going with that question, and I will tell you that the knife or gaff is much better than just their natural spur, If one rooster gets loose, and fights his neighbor, both are usually dead, or close to it. With a weapon, there is a good chance that one will fight another day, or get to breed daughters of other winners. All the people that says this subject has nothing to do with running dogs, are very wrong. Like has been stated earlier on this thread, most of the same people that want fighting dogs to be a felony, dont understand what enjoyment there could be in turning your bloodthirsty hounds loose on a poor little rabbit. If put to a vote for us all next week, I am positive that some states would be illegal to run rabbits. My moral to this story is, no matter how much you dont like dog fighting, if you like to hunt, or fish, you should never be in support of any animal rights" period.

[ohlinger.s]

When the run in the heat boys wrote about culling the ones that couldn't take it, what do you suppose they meant by that?

1. Give to a good home.
2. Advertise for sale on trading post as a fine hound
3. Shoot the dog.

I can tell you that in the bird dog field trial world #1 and #2 are seldom used.

So against animal rights activists but larry g you and the other guy that said you're either with them or against are putting posts on here like this that will give one of those animal rights activists that is gonna come on here and copy and paste and print and bam theres a newspaper artircle right there on animal cruelty and hunting dogs thumbs up on you're fight against the animal rights activists cuz it's idiots like that that are feeding them ammunition. Dog fighting is 100% immoral. People with any kind of a moral code would not do that i guess it depends on you're quality of life that dictates what sort of things you would choose to be associate with chicken fighting well chickens are not intended as pets they are food and the reason that is illegal is b/c the nature in which they are killed they are'nt offered a quick "humane" death. I just personaly find it hard to care about the death of my dinner as long as it's dead and cooked when i eat it. If the same type of people who are into and support dog fighting would surround me in the hunting beagle programs i'd quit and become an animal rights activist. Well hopefuly all you fight dog supporters can start just volunteering you're beagles to be there fighting dogs training aids instead of those of us who have dogs as hunting companions and house pets getting ours stolen for those purposes. Again moral ethics the type of person that steals someones house pet to throw into a dog mistreated and put into an altered killer mindset is not the type of person i want to associate myself with. I have owned pittbulls as house pets and they are not naturaly born to fight i can tell you that much. Mine had never growled at another dog on my property or a strange dog for that matter. they are very loyal pets. I don't see a chicken or soy bean being that attached to there owners.

P.S the "imo" thing remember the opinions are like buttholes and they all stink. you're opinion does'nt matter it's everyone elses that decides if you keep you're rights or not.

[Tim H]

Once again it is mindless to say, whatever AR's are against we must be for. I'm pretty sure they are against starving dogs till they die. If we use the mindless logic then we would have to be for starving dogs till they die.

Why not think for yourself and decide what is right and wrong based on morals, character, ethics and just a bit of common sense.

[Larry G]

In the early days of this country negro slaves were made to fight to the death for sport and gambling. Some people love violence, just check out the cage fighting on TV. Animals fighting to the death thrills some people. I had fighting roosters as a boy, most rural bumpkins my age have participated in stuff like that. What are the SC football players called? Right, the Gamecocks. But now animal fighting has been banned in most places. I don't necessarily see it as any more cruel than what is done to veal calves and other animals. My point is that we can't treat animals as people, like some want to do, and yet to allow needless torturing of animals for the purpose of gambling and sport is wrong. Bullfighting, for instance. The bull doesn't have much of a chance. Where to draw the line is the big question.

I belong to a beagle club, and if I mention that to certain types the knee jerk question is "oh, do you shoot the poor little rabbits?". No, we just chase them a while, they are not harmed. And if you want to go hunting you have to say you "harvested" an animal or bird not killed it or the people will be all upset. The anti hunting, animal rights city folks will eventually win. It has already happened in England, fox hunting with hounds is still done but is not legal. Dog and chicken fighting just gives them that much more to shoot with.

[Rabbithoundjb]

Tim I have to say I agree with you on this one. Some of you guys are going to the same extreme that you so dispise the animal rights groups for. This comes down to right and wrong and good ole common sense and thier is no comparison to hunting dogs and fighting dogs.

[APFII]

Once again it is mindless to say, whatever AR's are against we must be for. I'm pretty sure they are against starving dogs till they die. If we use the mindless logic then we would have to be for starving dogs till they die.

Why not think for yourself and decide what is right and wrong based on morals, character, ethics and just a bit of common sense.

Tim ,you hit the nail on the head. The hunting community is put in danger from the actions and publicity of dog fighting.

[B.Trull]

Ms Pixels the point is :

The AR's want to divide us so it easier to fight us. They will attack everyone they perceive as a threat; this includes sport fishermen.



Why I dont comment on certain things on this board , is exactly so it does not get splattered all over the internet, though I believe them to be true.



I guess we could delve into other moral and religious aspects of this topic and related topics, but it translate poorly on internet message boards

[JUDE]

Guys to all who want to fight dogs or gamecocks that's totally up to you . If my wife would have tried to make me pick when I was there , I think my family wife and 1 child at the time would have had to go . However I would that each of you step back and take a look around you the next time two roosters or dogs are pitted ( no cheating don't watch the fight just for one pitting look at everyone around you ) . Next ask yourself is this the kind of people that I would want to spend eternity with ? Is this right ? Is this the way I want my children to grow up ?


ps. If one person can learn by my mistake it was worth my time to post in this thread .


Buddy

[green river]

When I first started this post maybe I could have more clear on what I wanted to say, but I believe it came out in some of the replies. To all those that said this is a beagle board and not a dog fighting board, I totally agree, and apologize, but I believe this kind of thing could have a backlash on all of us.
Let me first say that I do not own or fight any dogs that fight other dogs. I do not gamble on or attend any events like this. I can not honestly say I am against it though.
What I'm trying to get to is how will this media circus have an impact on us. We've seen what has happened in Europe.
I believe it's safe to say that most of us on this site hunt with or own rabbit dogs. In that regard it's probably safe to say that most of have guns in our homes. Look what is going on with firearms in this country. I don't own assault rifles. Anti-gunners have their foot in the door trying to ban them. What are they going for next....Semi-auto guns. Whether it's handguns or shotguns or rifles they want us to give them up. How is that going to affect the people on this board? If they get that, where will they go from there?
I'm not on here trying to convince anyone that dog fighting is right, but take a look where our rights may be infringed upon. Take a look and realize that some of the things we take for granted could be taken away even though it has always been our way of life. It only has to start with a tiny pebble, and tiny pebbles can make waves that spread out. Like others have said...make your opinions educated.
I wish everyone good running!!!

[ohlinger.s]

Well said Jude...its the type of people that are involved with things of that nature. guns don't kill people people kill people and it's same thing with these issues we are talking about people train these dogs to kill eachother. I would'nt have it in me to watch something like that go on. Dog fighting is already illegal so i don't understand how it has anything to do with us loseing our rights in hunting with beagles. We are not breaking law nor is the nature of our sport hardly as violent, and for the most part the class of people involved in our sport is a good notch above the class of people that would be invloved dog fighting ethicaly moraly speaking.

[DRamey]

Buddy, I have no firsthand knowledge of dogfighting, other than what I was told in some detail by a friend who participated in his younger days. If half of what he told me is true, you have made the best point yet. Jesus said that we are to become as little children to be part of His kingdom, so I try to avoid things that aren't suitable for my children. My wife and I went to a movie a few years back, after having not seen a movie at a theater in years after having our son. We were shocked on our "date night" to find how even PG-13 movies have degenerated. I don't want to sound self-righteous, as I am a spiritual mess at times, but a good rule for me and my house is the "is it fit for the kids" rule. I think you hit the nail on the head when you brought up the point of who you associate with in these situations. I have taken my son to field trials since he was actually a little too small to go, but now he loves the hounds. My daughter's first trip in the field was in her stroller and a small bunny ran under it while the hounds were running it. I take my children hunting, fishing, ballgames, academic activities, above all, Bible class. I can't always control where they go and who influences them, but I follow the lead of people who have raised their children to be good servants of God and their communities, and none of them are dogfighters.

[danny vansickle]

true,pit bulls where bred for one thing,fighting,years ago,people took bull terriers and they had a pit,much like a fight pit in chicken fighting,they would trow a bull terrier in the pit and release a bunch of rats,the bt's would kill the rats and people would bet on wich dog kills the most,well,they bred the bull terriers to the original bulldog,now called the american bull dog,aand then you have the pit bulkl,and they where developed and bred for fighting,BUT now bred right and raised right they are the best most loyal dog and watch dog out there in my oppinion,but all do not need to be labled killers.

i have been to fights,dog and chicken,for some reason i feel the chicken fighting is ok,but not dog fighting,prolly cause i am a dog person,but don't agree with them but it is all the same really.

[J Rooster]

Here we go boys. I have heard people say it all depends on how they are raised. This makes no sense to me. I have seen plenty of people on the news who have had children or adults get mauled or killed buy the pit bull breed. I have heard these people say I don't know what happened it was such a loving dog, good with kids, and love playing in the backyard. These dogs will continue to be a problem with all the idiots who think I can raise a gentle pit bull. Kill' em all. This breed was made to be agressive. The thing is it just shows how stupid people realy are buy even paying money for a pup that might chew your face off or kill your children one day. Why take that chance. Do people enjoy gambling with somone elses life plus their own.

I think the breed should be destroyed. Some people have to buy a so called tough mean dog because it's the only way they can get attention. As far as PETA why don't we throw them into a house, throw 4 or 5 pitbulls that have attacked people before in the house and lock the door. I bet they might think a little different if they got their chewed up by one and as far as that goes throw any idiot who owns a pitbull in there with them.

As far as dog fighting I don't understand how some can say cock fighting is allright but not dog fighting. This to me is being a hypocrite. I would watch both to be honest. Like it was said once before people fight in UFC were they want to bring blood but we love that. The problem is that people care more for their animals than other people and that is just ignorant.

Kill every pitbull and other aggressive breeds and that solves the problem. These breeds are worthless to everyone.