minus or not to minus that is the question?

chuck raab · Post by **chuck raab** » Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:54 pm

Okay everybody how about your thoughts on whether or not dogs aren't getting minused when they need to. And how about the ones that get a minus when they shouldn't?

RWK · Post by **RWK** » Wed May 07, 2003 7:10 pm

I THIHK LITTLE PACK DOES A GOOD JOB MINUS SYSTEM. I ALSO THINK MOST OF THE TIME THE BEST DOG COMES BACK THE WINNER OF CAST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE MINUS FOR OVER RUNNING AND LOOSE MOUTH IN THE CHECK AREA.

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Sat May 10, 2003 4:25 am

I also think we have a good minus system but not everyone uses it. At the Ohio State hunt, there was a dog that barked three times right off the lead so I put him on the clock. He worked around and then after about a minute and a half, he threw his head up and took off. I minused him right then. Everyone thinks they have to give the three minutes. If they up and quit, you can minus them right then.

RWK · Post by **RWK** » Tue May 13, 2003 6:12 pm

GARY,
I HAVE BEEN A JUDGE FOR A LONG TIME. I NEVER PUT TOGETHER THE FACT THAT IF A DOG QUITES A TRACK BEFORE THREE MINUTES HE CAN BE MINUS BUT, YOU ARE CORRECT. I WILL BE WATCHING FOR THAT. THANKS GARY. WHAT DO YOU THANK ABOUT LOOSE MOUTH IN CHECK AREA, AND WHAT CAN BE DONE FROM A JUDGES STAND POINT?

Gary · Post by **Gary** » Wed May 14, 2003 12:07 pm

Nothing unless he's pulling them out of the check area. I can't stand when there's a mouthy dog in the cast. Nothing against the dog or owner but when there is a mouthy one, you have to be right on top of them when they break down or you'll never know when to start counting the 15 seconds.

Buddy · Post by **Buddy** » Wed May 14, 2003 9:23 pm

I think all mouthy dogs should be picked up!

Buddy

RWK · Post by **RWK** » Fri May 16, 2003 7:58 pm

I AGREE BARRY BUT GARY IS RIGHT ALL WE CAN DO IS MINUS THEM FOR PULLING DOGS FROM CHECK AREA BUT IF A DOG OR TWO BARKS ALITTLE FOLLOWING THEM IT MAKES IT HARD TO KNOW WHERE THE LINE IS.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:22 am

mouthy babbling dogs win hunts all the time. i think a dog should not open up till the rabbit is up and running. the judges need to start picking up the mouthy dogs. i have seen dogs just run around and mouth and sucker other dogs into barking. they are not running anything but goast rabbits and win hunts. it will mess up a young dog if you enter it with babbling dogs , that are not worth the powder and lead to kill them. get rid of the mouth in your kennels , it will be the best thing you ever did.

Wilkerson Boys · Post by **Wilkerson Boys** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:15 pm

In PP we are fortunate to have rules that can apply to minusing a dog for being mouthy and eventually getting it off the ground. Matter of fact there are several of them. To get such a rule change you will have to communicate and work hard to get it voted in. Wayne (go to PP rules on ARHA site and read them for ideas to push)

BOOMHOWER · Post by **BOOMHOWER** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 7:00 pm

I'm not a fan of loose mouths but sometimes I think people are confusing loose mouth with a cold nose. I've seen several times where one dog would screw around with a track and other dogs wouldn't get excited about and a few minutes later that so called loose mouth would kick a rabbit up. It seems alot of times people complain about the babblers when scenting conditions are poor pay attention to that and when scenting is good you won't hear about it much. There are some babblers out there or maybe alot of nose and no brains.

kjohns · Post by **kjohns** » Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:35 am

I think judges need to use the minus for pulling the dogs out of the check area more. In fact, I've been to 15 - 20 ARHA LP trials and never seen a dog get minused for pulling the others out of a check area. I've seen it happen quite a few times and ran w/ some pretty mouthy dogs in the check area. The problem is, these mouthy dogs don't get minused so a lot of times they end up winning because they are getting scored for the checks but not minused for the times they've disrupted the pack.

I've also seen dogs switch rabbits and pull the rest of the pack out of the check on the original rabbit. Not sure if there is anything in the rules about that or not.

Celtic Pride · Post by **Celtic Pride** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 7:10 pm

I've seen it a lot in LP too. Hounds are in a check, right off the bat one swings way out, hits a rabbit (same rabbit???? maybe....) 100 yards away and the judge scores that hound a check. Whether it be the same rabbit or not, 20 seconds into a check, if the hound is over 100 yards away, he's pulling the hounds out of the check area.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:01 am

A 100 yards in 20 seconds!!!!! Most greyhounds can't do that going through briars let alone a beagle. Also, how can a judge score a check if he can't see it??? Smells a little of the sore loser syndrome to me

TC · Post by TC » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:09 am

I feel that Boomhower is correct i have a dog that has been accused of being loose mouthed or mouthy! When I first started trialing him but now most know that when he opens theres a rabbit going to be jumped may be a couple of minutes somtimes but he always produces a rabbit! Now if i could just get him to pack up a little better!!

swing · Post by **swing** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:41 pm

Alot of you guys aint going to like this but its the facts, Mouthy dogs will win more hunts than an honest mouth dog will.
Reason being is you will draw more judges that dont know what a dog is doing, than you will a guy that knows what hound work is.
I said this from the very first trial I ever went to and I am sticking to what I said.
Now who agree's with that?
Trent

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minus or not to minus that is the question?

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