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So someone explain to me how a dog KNOWS a rabbit is runnable before he runs it? How is it that the guys that are always running in fair weather are the ones that figure they know all about nose power?? You guys should plan a trip up north with your BIG NOSE hounds that won't open till they are looking at the rabbit and see what happens in when its cold and you're standing in two and a half feet of snow. 
Bill I may be an idiot but after one year on these boards you should know that there is no I in NOSEbill (flint river ) wrote:some dogs just have a better noise then others, run him by himself for a while to make sure he isnt just mouthy because of the pressure, i have seen alot of young dogs get blowed up because of running to much in a pac that pushes real hard.
do not shock him if he does have a cold noise on wabbits, u will grow to love him when the condtion are tough and he is the only dog to get a wabbit moving.
I honestly thought you were doing that "no"i"se" thing on purpose until I found the above post 
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Norwester I am agreeing with you. I acknowledge that I know nothing of the requirements for running Hare in inclement weather. However, I don't believe that mouth or lack of it has anything to do with nose power. Dogs with a great nose can run mute or a mouthy SOB doesn't need to smell anything to bark. I have never seen a beagle that had a great snow nose attempt to run cottontails in the deep south. I owned a few that were from lines that were reputed to have great/snow noses that couldn't circle a cottontail. As I said from reading other threads on this subject it seems that all the hare hunters line up on the side of cold trailers. Most of the cottontail hunters abhor a dog that barks a lot before the rabbit is up. That doesn't make either group stupid. It indicates to me that the best way to be successful in pursuit of different game in different areas with vastly different conditions requires a different style beagle.NorWester wrote: Gus wrote,I see that happen from time to time, however what you usually miss is that the dog that is opening on the cold track was also fanning the track with dedication in the same manner (as the second hound in your scenario) before he opened at a time when the others wouldn't pay any attention to the track at all. If I lived in an area where the scenting was ideal I would certainly have no use for a dog that is known to run a cold track in good conditions either. However, that isn't the case and if I was bent on feeding dogs with correct mouths, using the definitions most of you provide I would have no hope of running a hare during the winter here. Fair weather running and so called correct mouth go hand in hand nicely, but if you want to run hare in the north, you're gonna have to get some real nose power and there is a price to be paid with that.If the first dog barks on a cold line and the second doesn't bark but they both work the line with dedication until the wabbit is up and then the second hound opens, how can you say that one has a better nose.
It appears that most Hare Hunters like a dog that hunts for a cold line and tracks until the hare is up and moving.
+1 You hit the nail on the head. Depends on geography. If you live in the middle like me then one big nosed dog in the pack is nice. Again. I prefer them more to the tight side but I don't hunt in 20 inches of snow during gun season either, at least not regularly.gus wrote:Norwester I am agreeing with you. I acknowledge that I know nothing of the requirements for running Hare in inclement weather. However, I don't believe that mouth or lack of it has anything to do with nose power. Dogs with a great nose can run mute or a mouthy SOB doesn't need to smell anything to bark. I have never seen a beagle that had a great snow nose attempt to run cottontails in the deep south. I owned a few that were from lines that were reputed to have great/snow noses that couldn't circle a cottontail. As I said from reading other threads on this subject it seems that all the hare hunters line up on the side of cold trailers. Most of the cottontail hunters abhor a dog that barks a lot before the wabbit is up. That doesn't make either group stupid. It indicates to me that the best way to be successful in pursuit of different game in different areas with vastly different conditions requires a different style beagle.NorWester wrote: Gus wrote,I see that happen from time to time, however what you usually miss is that the dog that is opening on the cold track was also fanning the track with dedication in the same manner (as the second hound in your scenario) before he opened at a time when the others wouldn't pay any attention to the track at all. If I lived in an area where the scenting was ideal I would certainly have no use for a dog that is known to run a cold track in good conditions either. However, that isn't the case and if I was bent on feeding dogs with correct mouths, using the definitions most of you provide I would have no hope of running a hare during the winter here. Fair weather running and so called correct mouth go hand in hand nicely, but if you want to run hare in the north, you're gonna have to get some real nose power and there is a price to be paid with that.If the first dog barks on a cold line and the second doesn't bark but they both work the line with dedication until the wabbit is up and then the second hound opens, how can you say that one has a better nose.
It appears that most Hare Hunters like a dog that hunts for a cold line and tracks until the hare is up and moving.
You know, there is an easy way to measure nose power and it will have nothing to do with how or when a dog barks. Catch a cabbit...........turn him loose and wait a while. Put a dog on the line and see if it can run the babbit. The hound that you can wait the longest on who can still run the bunny has the strongest nose.However, I don't believe that mouth or lack of it has anything to do with nose power. Dogs with a great nose can run mute or a mouthy SOB doesn't need to smell anything to bark.
Generally speaking however when a hound calls on a line we assume he can smell the dabbit, if he doesn't we usually assume he can't. These are of course just generalized parameters and there are of course extremes each way, like a dog that just barks because he believes a habbit is in the woods or the hound that will only open when staring down the rosebud on the backend of a running fabbit. Keep in mind also that the dogs that I have that will open on a old/ cold track will only do so in good scenting conditions which doesn't happen often up here. In typical winter conditions like we have here right now, the dogs don't cold track much because they can't smell the old/cold tracks. Try to bend your mind around a hare zipping by, your hound hits the line two minutes later but can't run the track because he cant smell it. Like I wrote before, there is a price to be paid for nose power and showing "extra mouth" is "generally" one of the traits that will be on the bill.u may want to look your responce over before u talk about grammer.J. JUDE wrote:For one thing the man that ask the question don;t live up north, A dog can cold trail with out mouthing off,Bill we know more about a dog than you;ll ever know.and you better buy you a dictionary.
JAMIE,
Pike Ridge Beagles wrote:LOL, never shocked one for running a _rabbit either.
). Here's some things about this subject that I have learned on my own. Most of it is different than what 'yall are sayin.When it comes to mouth and cold trailing I pay attention to what a dog's pack mates think of them. If old cold trailer opens and no one pays him any atention, he has too much mouth and not enough nose. If old bawler opens and the rest of the dogs race to get to him, he knows what he is doing. Dogs can judge each other much better than a human with a rule book can.
, this is getting old, tom u have really no diffrent views on a cold nose hound then the rest. some hounds a just tight, some are just babbling for one reason or another, and some can advance a old line and get a new jump. so your views really are not diffrent. as for the cotton tail and hare deal. i have seen diffrent.
