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[dan]

what line can run a rabbit in the worst running conditions

[MasonsBeagles]

That is a tough one. Not easily answered.

[stanimals2]

Dan Iam supprised to that you have no replys but you are asking an opinion and we all have those. There are alot of good dogs out there and alot more that not many have heard of. Myself I like paycheck ans sock it to me hounds but I cant say theyer the best out there right now. However the Mcvays records may say different

[power]

fc wades elm st cody hounds and fc short's pro hounds
this will get a rise off tis board i bet

[Bev]

Power, I have a little more built-in control on this board and the tolerance level seems to be a bit better here. We're mostly just a bunch of mongrels over here anyway, so we don't tend to pick on each other as much (unless it's in fun or it's tnbeagleman, lol!).

We have folks here that love clean, close, medium speed hounds to head-bangin' speed freaks and everything inbetween. We allow each other that. We appreciate you offering your input as well.

Back to the question, I haven't seen any one particular bloodline as much as I've seen particular hounds that could do the job. Dan I'm assuming the big priority on footspeed is that the hound be quick enough to give you a good day of gunning. In our personal kennel, the 2 hounds that never seem to mind the conditions would be my grade hound, Maxx, whom some have told me they would take to the bank that he's Jack's Iron Mike bred, and our old Jack dog who is Luci Van Little Man bred. I'd say between the two, the LVLM hound has probably been more consistent in his long career at lifting scent on the driest of days or in the freezing rain. They are medium speed hounds.

We have northern hare bred hounds too, and love their honest mouths and energy, but the rabbit has to be up and running before they will claim a line. Ol' Jack and Maxx will bawl on a track a good 3-5 minutes before the others do, but when they all eventually chime in, we know they've trailed up a rabbit in a nice fashion.

It would help to know your hunting preferences, terrain, what you like in a rabbit dog aside from good nose, etc. Do you hunt small weed patches, fencerows, thick tangle, or do you hunt a more flat, wide open terrain? Do you want dogs to hunt close or range out if necessary to jump a rabbit? Some folks that live on mountain ridges, want a dog to hunt close. Do you want to see the dog work or do you not care how fast he gets out as long as he circles the rabbit back? Things like that will help others help you in find a place to start looking.

Sorry for the book.

[Alabama John]

Dan, that is hard to answer broadly as most rabbit hunters I know and that includes me will usually breed their female to a somewhat local male that they are impressed with after actually hunting with it. If you spend several days actually hunting with a male in the type terrain and under conditions you will be hunting in, and with your females you would like to duplicate, and it really shines, and compliments YOUR pack, then pick that dog.

As others have said, if you have really hunted with several of its pups out of different females of the type you like and the pups turned out like you want, you increase your odds of getting pups that you will be proud to hunt with and that will bring you many years of enjoyment.

I run grade dogs except one and only want results, so what a studs line is, and what big names are on its papers matters none to me. I don't even want to know if the stud I picked is registered or not. Keep the papers.

Show me, because raising pups is very expensive.

Stay local, don't chase the flavor of the day!

[LR Patch]

Everone that said, depends on a lot of plug-in(different thing) would be
wise. That question can never be answered without prejudice.Thats my opion.
On the other hand from what I've seen and where I've been the Patch line that those Vanosdale's in Tennessee have would rate very high.
Coarse I've not been too far or seen much!(lol)

p.s. Come on Harold you know you got to reply!!!(lol)

[tnbeagleman]

anybody wants a good patch hound better call me or Billy one!!LOL Everybody has different opionions of what is good and what they like. I have saw litter mates and have some now that act like they are from different lines. Keeping looking around until you find something you really like yourself, get that and throw everyone else's thoughts out the window. That is the only way you will be happy. But, I really get pleasure out of watching a dog that I have raised start and then watch them improve. Start with something decent and raise a couple of your own you will be more likely to like what you have. Thats my thoughts and they're almost as good as jumpdogs> lol

[Chain Gang]

I'd say find a line here in Texas you like.We got to have the worst conditions around.LOL

[Bob Wiest]

I saw that the Patch line was mentioned as being good bad condition hounds and based on what I see up here in MI, I agree. I have been checking into other Patch lines and I have found that the great nose isn't universal in all Patch strains. I own and have run with some Pennyroyal Patch Casey dogs and found they were good, bad condition dogs. The best bad condition Patch hounds I have run with have some blood from a bitch by the name of Glyshaw's Picker Patch. She was out of a couple of Glyshaw Patch hounds, but I don't know how much this man bred. If anybody out there knows more please post. Thanks Bob Wiest

[Guest]

Took two bitches up a few years ago to breed to Royal Falcon Patch, he was by old Stupe, out of Wood Song. Song was one of the best looking Patch bitches I've seen. The ole man was going on 12 and the last direct son of Stupe I knew of. We had a miss on both bitches and I never knew of another that took. I think he's spending his well deserved retirement as a house pet today. Bud was looking for a male out of Falcon, as he had failed to keep any males from him. We gave him a male out of a Don's Buckeye Patch bitch, bred back to a grandson of Falcon. Falcon and Buck were 1/2 brothers.

What is the sire/dam of the Picker Patch you speak of.

We still have North Wind Patch Spirit w/ Lazy Acres blood in most of the hounds...Patch

[Plow]

The most nose I ever had in a Patch was out of this gyp, FC Little Red Cajun Patch. Her sire is Bunnyrun Soda Patch & dam is Glyshaws Picker Bush Patch. Top side is mostly Linebred Andersons Patch with a couple crosses of Yates/Lonergans work through Snow Pache Melody & Ruppes King Patch. This was brought forward by Jim Vandeveegate who owns the Bunnyrun Kennels on the Canadian line & hunts deep snow & has to have this nose & he inbred for this nose.
The bottom as you can see is Ray Roberts mostly except for the Uptown Sally that is Yates & Rammes Dolly Girl that is Anderson.
The Little Red Cajun Female is AKC champ & a straight track runner with great nose.
ANDERSONS PATCH
BUNNYRUN REX PATCH II
BUNNYRUN SADIE PATCH
BUNNYRUN COMANCHE PATCH
BUNNYRUN REX PATCH II
BUNNYRUN SUE PATCH II
BUNNYRUN SADIE PATCH
BUNNYRUN SODA PATCH
BUNNYRUN KING PATCH
TIGER SNOWPATCH
SNOW PACHE MELODY
ANN MARIE PATCH
RUPPES KING PATCH
STREBES TWO SPOT PATCH
BUNNYRUN RED SALLY PATCH
FC LITTLE RED CAJUN PATCH
PATCH RUSTY LAZY ACRES
CHET MARS LUCKY BOY
LAZY ACRES SNOW BALL
GLYSHAWS MOONSHINE PATCH
OSCARS PATCHER BOY
RAMMES DOLLY PATCH
TRUDYS GIRL PATCH
GLYSHAWS PICKER BUSH PATCH PATCH RED PEPPER
LAZY ACRES ONE SPOT
LAZY ACRES ONE MOE SPOT
GLYSHAWS WOODSONG PATCH
LADDS WHITE MOSES
UPTOWN SALLY PATCH III
SHIPLEYS SALLY GAL PATCH

[Plow]

Well that didn't come out like it showed when I typed it in it was in pedigree form , guess I don't know how to make it look like it does when I type it in, but you will get the idea, just find FC Little Red Cajun Patch & everything above her is Sires & below her is dams.

[Guest]

This is a little better:

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	   		ANDERSONS PATCH	
   		BUNNYRUN REX PATCH II		
   			BUNNYRUN SADIE PATCH	
   	BUNNYRUN COMANCHE PATCH			
   			BUNNYRUN REX PATCH II	
   		BUNNYRUN SUE PATCH II		
   			BUNNYRUN SADIE PATCH	
   BUNNYRUN SODA PATCH				
   			BUNNYRUN KING PATCH	
   		TIGER SNOWPATCH		
   			SNOW PACHE MELODY	
   	ANN MARIE PATCH			
   			RUPPES KING PATCH	
   		STREBES TWO SPOT PATCH		
   			BUNNYRUN RED SALLY PATCH	
FC LITTLE RED CAJUN PATCH				
   			PATCH RUSTY LAZY ACRES	
   		CHET MARS LUCKY BOY		
   			LAZY ACRES SNOW BALL	
   	GLYSHAWS MOONSHINE PATCH			
   			OSCARS PATCHER BOY	
   		RAMMES DOLLY PATCH		
   			TRUDYS GIRL PATCH	
   GLYSHAWS PICKER BUSH PATCH			   	
   			PATCH RED PEPPER	
   		LAZY ACRES ONE SPOT		
   			LAZY ACRES ONE MOE SPOT	
   	GLYSHAWS WOODSONG PATCH			
   			LADDS WHITE MOSES	
   		UPTOWN SALLY PATCH III		
   			SHIPLEYS SALLY GAL PATCH	

[Guest]

Plow, you're exactly right. I don't know where you saw Cajun, but she was the real deal. My male's sire is Parker's Patch Hammer Time. Hammer was directly out of Cajun. Patch or Plow do you any more about that Picker line? Either where they were bred or who bred them. Patch does that outstanding nose go back to the Lazy Acres breeding, and if you know who bred those dogs? Thanks for any information. Plow you go back one generation farther than me on Cajun, do you have some of her blood. thanks again. Bob