LOOK,THIS IS WHY THE MOH'S HAVE A HARD TIME GETTIN JUDGES

[danny vansickle]

i want to congradulate one of my closest friends in this sport on recieving the 2007 hall of shame golden turkey award,the golden turkey is presented each year to a person that does something at the world hunt that sticks out and gives everyone a good laugh.i recieved this prestigous honor last year for missing the deadline in 06,jared recieved it this year for thinking he was rocky balboa and getting a a big black eye from denver "piledriver" riddle

i know people are ridin jared on here,i think it is pretty cowardly being that he cannot come on and respond,so keep this in mind before ya start bashin him with you tear drenched words.......

jared judges every round at every big 5 hunt,only bringng one dog to run,he came to the lil world without a dog and still judged every round when he was not handling my dog.jared is a young guy that aint been delt the best hand in life,yeah he may screw up from time to time and talk to his girlfriend while judgin,but he is there every round to help out anyone,and as far as him being honest,jared has traveled this country with me and others and judged us,and 90% of the time,brings us back loosing,cause he judges the dogs,not the owners.i have heard stories about him in the past,but i was not there,but i can tell ya this,he is honest,and takes pride in judging.look back through the results of the past big 5 hunts,you will see his name there in the semis and finals judging,when most poeple go home,he stays there to help,and if ya think it is for the money,try judging 3 rounds in indiana then go out to the 4th and tell me if it worth the 25 to 30 bucks ya get when your side hurts,cant breath,legs are cramping and puking your guts out.when no one else can go,jared is there,so,take it easy on him,he is a young kid tryin to help out,shure he is not perfect,but better then some,so think before ya stink,if you was so worried about the judging,why didnt you step up and judge??????????

[Murphy's Kennel]

The reason why I didn't step up and judge is because I was not able to go this year and it sucked. I was restless, irritible, and discontent all weekend because I couldn't make it this year. I don't do as much judging as others but I will get these short legs out there and do my best and 100% honest. Might miss some but I do my best. If I am not mistaken last year at the world I helped another guy judge and your dog came back the winner because it won!Didn't know you and the your dog won because exactly that your dog won. Maybe Jarred has changed and you are definately right about several things you say about jarred and him always there to judge. But I have always felt the way I feel as of several other people do and I have no problem in telling him or you or whoever how I feel. I feel this way because of several instances and hopefully I will be able to change my outlook on him. Because I know people can change. Lord knows I'm not always right.I will be the first to admit when I'm wrong. If I can see it. But usually it's pointed out to me by my granddad or someone else. You know what I find very funny is how you continue to find ways to throw your bodyguard attitude in to the mix. I am sure there is a library somewhere in OHIO close to where he lives that he can get on the Interenet. I am pretty computer illiterate but I try to manage. Thats how I get on the Intefrenet and if he would like discuss this or you then you are more than willing to call or call me to the side at a hunt and we can discuss this as gentlemen. You know some people let situations blow way out of proportion and I am not going to participate in anything like that. But if you feel the need then we can discuss this as gentlemen.
Thanks alot,
Bryan Murphy
(502)6550380 or (502)7478633
P.S. I remember in 06 at the Little World the incident after the first round when Jarredm and Brian P judge our dogs(Dozer and Dream) you doing some unsportmans like conduct at the trucks. A dog from Park City Ky beat us but you thought someone had done something to you! So stay off your high horse and come on down with us normal people.....

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

As the GOOD BOOK states: Judge not unless you be judged. I don't know this guy from Adam but it does NO good to this sport to run a young man down the way I have seen him run down on this board. If the guy is dishonest then that is another story.
JMHO

Ed/PRB

[Murphy's Kennel]

You know you guys are right! And I am wrong for running him down. But I also feel the way that I feel. What really urks me is that he could be one of the best in the organization. If not the best? He is blessed with long legs and can run all day long. I trully think he knows the rules too. So you can see how it can make people upset. Not just me! Another thing is is that he can be a pleasure to be around. Sorry but I can't help the way that I feel.

[danny vansickle]

well brian,as for the dream dozer cast,everyone knows brian,jared and i are friends,normally,i would never,ever question a call brian makes or jared for that matter,but,if you recall,the check i asked about was the one where jared fell hard to the ground,dozer was the dog that hit the check,bina yelled back to jared and asked if it was the green color,your dog dream,as soon as he asked,your dog dream,passed the gallery with two other dogs pullin to dozer,ron eades yelled to brian and said no,that is the orange collor,green and the other dogs are pullin to orange here.i asked brian at the truck who he checked,he checked yourdog,green,but,we all know,including yourself,it was dozer,the final score was 215,200


but that is in the past,and yes,you and reggie done a super job judgin bandit,i was impressed.

now,i finally got the story on jared,apparently ed jones felt he was cheated,well,i can pull up a whole thread on here about ed and his actions in the field,i refuse to run under him,since i brought up the fact that he switched a set of nkc dog papers on a dog i used to own to get a deer race off its record,i have not hit the scorecard under him,including the cast at redbush where my dog jumped a rabbit,with one minute to go,ed was no where near the dog,i yelled out it was my dog,he said he knew it was his buddies dog cause he owned him,when i refused to sign the card and another handler told him that his buddies dog was back by him when my dog jumped it,ed said,ok then,he pulled the card out,and took the jump strike off,then said then awarded the hunt to his buddie on hunt and handling.

now that is good judgin right there,all i have to say to the ed jones camp is wrote in my signiture at the bottom

you lost,get over it

[Murphy's Kennel]

Actually I remember the cast well and my dog was orange and Rick Brown's dog was Green. And yes you are correct about the score. Not at all trying to take up for ED JONES or anyone else for that matter. Just was explaining the feelings that I have had for a long time. Maybe a little misunderstood. I usually am. Not to good at explaining myself but what I thought about that cast in 06 was that was the best judging that I had ever seen from Jarred. Felt in the next cast he judge in grands was a little different. As all the other cast that I have seen under Jarred. Maybe I have the wrong opinion of him but that is the way I feel and those are feelings coming from alot of past experiences. Gonna try to keep an open mind and make it a point to go out and watch him judge a couple of rounds. Hopefully I am totally wrong but I just don't think so. But we will see.
Bryan Murphy

[danny vansickle]

Actually I remember the cast well and my dog was orange and Rick Brown's dog was Green. And yes you are correct about the score. Not at all trying to take up for ED JONES or anyone else for that matter. Just was explaining the feelings that I have had for a long time. Maybe a little misunderstood. I usually am. Not to good at explaining myself but what I thought about that cast in 06 was that was the best judging that I had ever seen from Jarred. Felt in the next cast he judge in grands was a little different. As all the other cast that I have seen under Jarred. Maybe I have the wrong opinion of him but that is the way I feel and those are feelings coming from alot of past experiences. Gonna try to keep an open mind and make it a point to go out and watch him judge a couple of rounds. Hopefully I am totally wrong but I just don't think so. But we will see.
Bryan Murphy

either way,it doesnt matter,i know the check should have went to dozer,if so,he would have won,but why argue over a check on a dead dog,true?

you seem to be a good guy,dont know ya that well,but unlike some on here,your doin the right thing,keepin a open mind about it,jared can be a great judge,yeah,sometimes he gets wasted at teh hunts and has a hangover but about 40% of the judges do that so,what do ya do,give a sobriety check before casts?

anywho,hope to run into on the road,we will have to go run some hounds,all i remember about the dream dog was,it was a nice dog,and if dozer didnt win,that dog deserved it,either way,dont fall into the trap these guys are settin to try and get people to gang up on jared,these master of hounds at these hunts do a fine job deciding who judges,as for them not lettin him judge sunday,well,i have my opinion of that,but,i will keep my mouth shut.jared is a good kid,and a good judgei dont know the excact specifics,but,from what i hear,the right dog came back,and people are tryin to blame the judge.

gpood luck brian,see ya down the road.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

jared can be a great judge,yeah,sometimes he gets wasted at teh hunts and has a hangover but about 40% of the judges do that so,what do ya do,give a sobriety check before casts?

That right there may explain part of the problem.

[Murphy's Kennel]

If god willing I'll be at the IN state. Maybe we can hook up there and run some. I've seen a few of your hounds run and they would all get fe in my kennel. ANYTIME!!!! But if you can make it maybe we can talk and shoot aome crap and run some dogs... Til then run em hard!!!

[Buckeyebeagler]

JARHEAD WAS A CHEATER, IS A CHEATER, AND WILL ALWAYS BE A CHEATER.

[danny vansickle]

JARHEAD WAS A CHEATER, IS A CHEATER, AND WILL ALWAYS BE A CHEATER.

ok boys,here it is,this is the call that got jared in deep shyt................

this is how jared discribed it to me........

dogs where runnin break down in the check,two dogs blow out about 50 ft.then bobble and come back to correct themselves,nothing happened after that.dead track was called.


apperrantly,one of the two dogs was the dog that beat ed jones dog,ed felt that jared should have minused the winning dog,well,here is the thing though,i see dogs blow out and correct themselves all the time,now,if the dog would have blown out lets say in a northerly dirrection,and come back,then another dog blow out westerdly and go,go,go,then,and only then can you minus the dog for pullin,since the dog went,came back,and it ended there,who is to say the dog did not have the line and just bobbled it.


bottom line is this,kliaber agreed with jared,it is a judgment call,nothing more,either way ya look at it,it is a judgemnet call,end of discussion.

thing is,the guys on here sayin he cheated was not even there,fact is,jared will judge circles aroud almost anyone in the arha,every moh at every big 5 has had no problem usin him as a judge in the first round and through the finals.

the moh at the world had a hard time gettin judges,he ran around beggin people for help,why do ya think no one wants to judge?????????

you want to talk bad about jared,well,what do ya think of a guy that changes the scorecard after the hunt ends by taking a jump strike off the card,thensaying,"ok boys,now there is no points" and points at his buddy in the cast and says,"you win on hunt and handling"

a dog struck in,ed was out of position,he awarded a jump strike to his buddies dog without asking if anyone wanted to claim it,i said it was my dog over the hill,ed said he knew the mouth cause he owned the dog and sold it to his buddy,i said well,we will go backa nd talk to the moh,ed pulls the card out,erasses the jump strike and says no points and points to his buddy and says you win.

that is a rule violation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i have lost 90% of the casts that jared has judged my dogs,but,i lost fair,and that is all that matters.


so,who won the cast in question???????????

[Scott Green]

I think it is pretty sad when someone comes on here and calls someone out period. And then to say that the guy should find a way to get on the internet and defend himself, even more ridiculous.

If you want to get something straight with him, drive over there or call him on the phone.

GEEZ. Some people.

Jared might have done something to you that you didnt like, but if it still not sitting well with you then talk to him about. How would you feel if someone started a good thread about you and then right off the bat people were taking shots at you???

[danny vansickle]

I think it is pretty sad when someone comes on here and calls someone out period. And then to say that the guy should find a way to get on the internet and defend himself, even more ridiculous.

If you want to get something straight with him, drive over there or call him on the phone.

GEEZ. Some people.

Jared might have done something to you that you didnt like, but if it still not sitting well with you then talk to him about. How would you feel if someone started a good thread about you and then right off the bat people were taking shots at you???

well,i have my opinion of the whole situation,the guy sayin he got cheated is by far the biggest dog trader in the area,a buddy of mine traded him 10 dogs for one male that was suppose to be a world beater from this guy,the dog trader told my buddy that the dog he traded him was broke and the best in the kennel,well,it has two deer races now in i think 4 trials,is mouthy as all get out,backtracks and lays false lines,so,how honest is the guy accusin him of cheating????????????


yeah,jared has done a few things in the past that made me mad while judgin,talkin ocn the cell or checkin a dog by ear,but,i guarrantee ya this,he is honest,the guy aint smart enough to cheat anyone and get away with it


like scotty said,you have a problem with jareds judgin,talk to jared in person,dont come on here gangin up on him,the boy works 12 hrs a day,4 days a week and drives to trials to just judge and help the clubs every weekend,and anyone that judges knows the 15 or 20 bucks aint wrth it,that isnt why we do it,we do it for the love of the sport and the dogs.

obviously the powers that be at the big hunts have never had a problem with jared,nkc or akc,he judges both and usually always judges the finals at big fives.

as far as why he was not allowed at the world,well,i have my opinion of that,i cant understand how last year,myself and three other handlers went to kliaber and complained about a couple judges antics in the field,yet they where judgin the very next round,so,why can ed jones go to him and get a judge booted???????????

it is no secret that ed and his posse pack a lot of dogs at club hunts,especialy ironton,i would say just between ed,and the blevins boys,you got 30 hounds,and at a club hunt with 45 total,i wouldn't think you would want to pee off the group that brings 75% of the dogs.

so,if i was a bettin man,i would say that is why jared was knocked out of judgin,but,like he said last night,he got the cold shoulder as far as judgin the runnoff,and then this at the last day of the world,he said when they are beggin for judges,look the other way.




i cant understand why the moderator has not cleaned the post up,this is a clear bashfest goin on here,

[Scott Green]

Is this the same Ed Jones that is a preacher?

[James Blevins]

Danny, just a little bit of info for you, Myself along with my two brothers normally pack 3 to 6 dogs to each hunt we go to. The way I do the math thats 1 or 2 dogs each. We buy the gas to get them there and pay our entry fees, and we don't pack any judges with us to judge them. I am a friend of Ed Jones but I am nobody's Posse. As far as I can remember I've never done anything to you, or ask you to buy my gas or pay my entry fees so it's really none of your business how many dogs I run. Just a little quick advice, spend more time taking care of your own business and less worring about mine.