LOOK,THIS IS WHY THE MOH'S HAVE A HARD TIME GETTIN JUDGES

[danny vansickle]

Danny you are fighting a losing battle, it wasn't long ago you were on here complaining about Jared stiffing you on payment or a half ownership on dogs you were kenneling and running for him. You stirred all this up with your post. What is your reasoning for the change of heart and sudden defense of Jared? Has he taken up church and turned over a new leaf or has his judging just gotten better in your eyes . The thing is, it is easy to forgive but you can't forget what a person has done to you. I hope he can resolve the situations he has created, but he is going to have to do that himself. I don't think you want to be dragged down the same path he walks on. Just an opinion. Congratulations for your recent success.

Brandon Hill

HOW DID I STIR IT????????

ALL I DID WAS CONGRADULATE HIM ON HIS AWARD,JUST LIKE I DID KLIABER,PREVOT,HALL AND ECBUT I SEE YOUR POINT,YEAH,I HAVE GOTTEN PIZZED AT JARED ON MORE THEN ONE OCCASION,HE DOES MAKE MISTAKES AND SOMETIMES HALF ASSES IT OUT THERE,BUT HE IS BY FAR NOT THE ONLY ONE,AND AS FAR AS CHEATING,WELL,THAT IS WHY I AM DEFENDING HIM,THE GUY ACCUSING HIM IS NO SAINT BY NO MEANS AND HAS NO ROOM TO POINT THE FNGER AT ANYONE,THE CAST WAS PROTESTED,KLIABER RULED IT WAS A JUDGEMENT CALL,END OF DISCUSSION.

ASK GABE ABOUT THE RULE VIOLATION THAT COST ME A CAST,THE MOST IMPORTANT CAST OUT THERE TO ME,DID I COME ON HERE BASHIN ANYONE,NO,THE GUYS MADE A MISTAKE,NOTHING MORE,I DIDNT CATCH IT TILL SUNDAY OF THE AKC TRIAL,I TOOLD GABE HOW I GOT BEAT,HE SHOWED ME THE RULE THAT WAS VIOLATED,BUT,IT WAS AN INNOCENT MISTAKE,I LET IT GO.

MAYBE I WAS WRONG TO DEFEND HIM,MAYBE HE WAS CHEATING,BUT,THE MAJORUITY OF THE GUYS POINTING THE FINGERS HAVE NO ROOM AT ALL TO TALK ABOUT ANYONE CHEATING OR MAKING BAD CALLS,AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

THAT IS WHAT PISSED ME OFF,IT WAS LIKE THE POT CALLIN THE KETTLE BLACK OR SOMETHIN LIKE THAT

[Hills Beagles]

i want to congradulate one of my closest friends in this sport on recieving the 2007 hall of shame golden turkey award,the golden turkey is presented each year to a person that does something at the world hunt that sticks out and gives everyone a good laugh.i recieved this prestigous honor last year for missing the deadline in 06,jared recieved it this year for thinking he was rocky balboa and getting a a big black eye from denver "piledriver" riddle

i know people are ridin jared on here,i think it is pretty cowardly being that he cannot come on and respond,so keep this in mind before ya start bashin him with you tear drenched words.......

jared judges every round at every big 5 hunt,only bringng one dog to run,he came to the lil world without a dog and still judged every round when he was not handling my dog.jared is a young guy that aint been delt the best hand in life,yeah he may screw up from time to time and talk to his girlfriend while judgin,but he is there every round to help out anyone,and as far as him being honest,jared has traveled this country with me and others and judged us,and 90% of the time,brings us back loosing,cause he judges the dogs,not the owners.i have heard stories about him in the past,but i was not there,but i can tell ya this,he is honest,and takes pride in judging.look back through the results of the past big 5 hunts,you will see his name there in the semis and finals judging,when most poeple go home,he stays there to help,and if ya think it is for the money,try judging 3 rounds in indiana then go out to the 4th and tell me if it worth the 25 to 30 bucks ya get when your side hurts,cant breath,legs are cramping and puking your guts out.when no one else can go,jared is there,so,take it easy on him,he is a young kid tryin to help out,shure he is not perfect,but better then some,so think before ya stink,if you was so worried about the judging,why didnt you step up and judge??????????

Danny you did a little more than just congratulate him. If you would have left it with your first paragraph of your first post I don't think there would have been as many comments. You began the post by defending him. If thats your prerogative then so be it but don't be surprised when people voice their opinions to the contrary. Let sleeping dogs lie.

[danny vansickle]

YEP,YOU GOT ME THERE,BUT I KNEW EVEN IF I WOULD HAVE STOPPED AFTER THE FIRST PARAGRAGH,THEY STILL WOULD HAVE BASHED AWAY,THAT IS WHY I TRIED TO CUT IT OFF RIGHT OFF,I KNOW YOU AND JARED HAVE BEEF,THAT IS BETWEEN YOU TWO,BUT I CONSIDER BOTH OF YOU FRIENDS AND REFUSE TO TAKE SIDES.


AS FOR THIS B.S. AND BASHING THT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CUT OFF BY THE MODDY DAYS AGO,I AM DONE DEFENDING,I HAVE TRIED TO CLEAN MY POSTS UP AND STAY OUTTA THIS CRAP,AND THE BEST WAY IS TO IGNORE IT,SO I AM.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS,WHEN YOU ALL HAVE TO PAY AND EXTRA DAY HOTEL AND TAKE ANOTHER DAY OFF WORK CAUSE SHORTAGE OF JUDGES AT THE BIG HUNTS,REMEMBER THIS THREAD.

[J.C. Blair]

Danny, I think I'm gonna agree with Dr. Phil on this one.....................

[Hatfield]

Blah, Blah, Blah

Danny your a sh!t stirrer.
Everybody likes to smell it.
You probably don't even like Jared down deep, do you?

I hope the self affirmation helps though.
I am strong enough, I am smart enough, and dog gone it people like me.
Jack Handy

Haterfield

Blair your too much

[danny vansickle]

HEAR NO EVIL
SEE NO EVIL
SPEAK NO EVIL

[John Lear]

Dear Dear Danny
I don't know you personally but it sure is peculiar when you get on here and prove what everyone says about you. I've noticed on about every post you have to get on here and write a whole speech per reply in order to explain your view. Well as we've all (well not some) learned in life truth does not need help or a defense it will prove itself and come to the top.
Just let Mr. Jarred keep judging and time will tell the story. Now your SPEAK NO EVIL comment is a joke maybe you need to go back and read YOUR OWN comments about Ed Jones.
By the way what did you do during spelling class? That must have been the one right after lunch while it was your nap time. Congrad(t)ulations and westerdly which way is that or did you mean westwardly. And you never prove your point with any validity you just talk around and around in circles keeping the same old mess stirred up proving what your objective is very clearly which someone commented on a few replies ago. baby

[Bunnyblaster]

Good lord, I don't post much on this board as I usually just get on and read the threads but this time around I will say one thing. LET IT GO!! Everything said on here are opinions based on whatever fact is available to each person and you're not going to change each other's mind so leave it alone and get back to more productive stuff.

It would be nice if this thread just died right now and went to the wayside.

[dogwhisperer]

if i were jared i would be upset that they let him judge every round to carry the hunt through then not let him judge for the big money.

[Blu Tick Beagler]

4 Groups of judges were chosen based on how many rounds they judged. The judges were divided into 4 groups and split up by state. (So only 1 judge in each groups was from 1 state). ALL 4 groups were put into the bingo roller 1 through 4...

Jarod was in group 1. Groups 2 through 4 rolled out first...Chance of luck.. We use the same process every year... 4 goups...1 doesn't get drawn...

Just thought I'd squash that rumor before it got any further....

[danny vansickle]

4 Groups of judges were chosen based on how many rounds they judged. The judges were divided into 4 groups and split up by state. (So only 1 judge in each groups was from 1 state). ALL 4 groups were put into the bingo roller 1 through 4...

Jarod was in group 1. Groups 2 through 4 rolled out first...Chance of luck.. We use the same process every year... 4 goups...1 doesn't get drawn...

Just thought I'd squash that rumor before it got any further....

THANKS PAUL,SO,THAT MEANS NO ONE REFUSED JARED THE OPPERTUNITY TO JUDGE,HIS GROUP JUST DIDN'T ROLL OUT.CAN'T GET MORE CLEAR THEN THAT.

[scootersjill]

dad gumit fellas i dont know vansickle but any man that can hula like him cant be all bad .
he seems like a nice enuff feller to me.

[warddog]

I get the biggest kick out of these folks coming on here and argueing over a call that was made in a hunt. LOL, they get so bad that some of these kids go to making physical threats. FACT is there is a process for handling disputes in ANY hunt, just don't sign the scorecard and take it back to the MOH to make the determination on the dispute. If you still don't agree with that decision then you can file a "formal" written complaint to the committee. I never could understand why you guys get on here and argue over a call that is history as it certainly will NOT be corrected on this forum. If you feel you got shafted then follow the rules you agreed too when you put your money down to enter the hunt. You agreed to all such rules when you elected to enter the hunt including those that state the judge will judge the cast AND any questions NOT aired in the field will not be considered later. The other thing that you agree too is the FACT that the clubs MOH's decision is final and the only recourse after that is to file a "formal" written complaint. If you don't follow the rules in the field then why come on here to bawl about getting the elevator. When you attend a clubs hunt and or bench show you are coming in there agreeing to allow THAT clubs assigned judges to evaluate your dog under the guidance of their MOH. Not everyone sees what you see at the exact moment it occurs. Bench shows are just the same as you ask an assigned judge to rate your dog as compaired to the others and they may eyes for a certain thing and you may have eyes for something completely different but they are the ones you agreed to judge your dog when you entered that hunt or bench show.

[Pine Mt Beagles]

MAN THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION
BUT I MUST HAVE MISSED SOME OF IT AFTER READING THROUGH IT ALL THE BEST I CAN FIGURE OUT IS IF --YOU SEE -10-JUDGES- 7- ARE CROOKS AND -2-DON'T KNOW THE RULES.IT MAKES FOR SOME FUN TIME AT THE CLUB HOUSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE MASTER OF HOUNDS DON'T KNOW THE RULES EITHER--BUT HOW COULD THEY, THERE ARE NO RULES JUST INTERPRETATIONS OF THE RULES .JUDGEMENT CALL'S ETC. THATS WHAT MAKES IT ALL FUN.IT WOULD BE TO BORING IF WE ALL JUST GOT ALONG ???????????/

PINE MT BEAGLES

[Vansickle Jr.]

I see nothing wrong with Jarred judging, He judge almost everyround if not EVER round. And all of sudden he cant judge anymore. Come one there is somthing wrong here. Danny and i both like Jarred, and we have nothing agaisnt him. Because he missed a check or gave a strike to the wrong dog ON accident doesnt mean he isnt a good judge, Crap happens. You hear about it all the time. So just cut him a break, and if you have a problem complain some where else. Cause i am tired of hearing Jarred this Jarred that, That is an opinion, just let it go. Lets see some of you get out there and judge, Probly most you all complaining arent judges your self. At least he puts for the effort, and time. So that is just my imput into the conversation. Lil V