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warddog wrote:If you read what the man stated he said he did try to contact the stud dog owner and he would not make it good. I would imagine that the owner of the female tried to contact the stud dog owner as soon as he found out the female did not take as he surely would not wait 10 years to first contact him. The man paid for a service that he didn't receive and he is due something for his $250.00 and he is due it even NOW if he tried to notify the stud dog owner and couldn't. I wasn't there but even if nothing was said about a breeding, I would expect to receive a live litter for my fee. The service he paid for was the impregnating of his female which he did NOT receive. I highly doubt that in any-one's eyes the paying of a stud fee is for your male and my female to have fun. The sole intent is to recreate and if the female did NOT take then the contractual obligation has not been met. Any body who charges for a stud fee and no offspring are produced has not met their obligation of the sole intent. I agree there may be times when the female has problems BUT that's part of the business you are in and something should be seen for the fee that is paid. I have seen many, many stud dog adds that guarantee a live LITTER or return service for as long as the dog lives or a refund. You folks that have all this crap in a contract to get out of the original intent of breeding a dog would not be doing any business with me. If you can't guarantee me something for my money then it appears you are in it strictly for the money and NOT for the purpose of producing a litter. By the way litter means multiparous or more than one.
fulcount wrote:Dont start this crap Anderson!!
when you bred the bitch more than ten years ago the deal was return service
that was well before Granppy died you didn't see fit to reuse him at the time
I offered a pup way back then in lieu of a service and you didn't take the offer
Now after v10 or more years when you see apup I have I am expected to Knock of
the price I think not!!!!!
Ive been here for all that time and have not heard a word from you !!!!!!
forget starting your bullshit on this board
and to anyone that does post on this subject This is my last word in it!! so have fun if youy wish!!!
John Otruba 518-494-3247
Over 10 years is just too much lapsed time !!!!!
There is a statute of limitations on most things and in this case that has lapsed!!!!!!
I charge my stud fee up front but, have let people give me 1/2 and 1/2 when the litter is born to help them out as most of the time they have shipped a bitch to me and thats gotten really expensive or when they do frozen its costly. I do not charge for my time, airport trips (1 hour at 3.26 a gal) I do not charge boarding or handling or feed. I get the job done and if they miss I give them a repeat service or in the cases where someone may have had 1 puppy I just let 1/2 the fee stand. I try my very best to get bitches pregnant as I don't want to give repeats because its a lot of extra work. In this case I can't see the harm of the stud owner allowing a different bitch and a different dog and be done with it. Hard feelings are just not worth it.
warddog wrote: You folks that have all this crap in a contract to get out of the original intent of breeding a dog would not be doing any business with me. If you can't guarantee me something for my money then it appears you are in it strictly for the money and NOT for the purpose of producing a litter. By the way litter means multiparous or more than one.
I don't have a written contract. I keep it real simple. $200 to breed the bitch and the rest ($300) when it's time to sign the litter reg. Considering that our puppies go for a minimum of $1000.00 and a litter is usually at LEAST 3-4 puppies, that's a bargain!
Anyway, I don't particulary care about breeding to outside bitches as they can be alot of work....I don't just throw them in the kennel and leave them! If the bitch belongs to a good friend, or is a favor for someone I want to do a favor for, or a better bitch than my dog...well then I might work something different. TC gets a free breeding to my dog because he won it on that auction we had here on the board awhile back.
So I am not unreasonable but I have my limits of dealing with BS. The last bitch here climbed fences so she had to be walked AND she was FILTHY in her crate even though I constantly walked her. I earned my $200 and managed a good tie (she was a crazy maiden too!). I didn't even want to breed the bitch as she isn't a CH and likely never will be, but it was a favor to an old friend....
Cindy
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Honey Pot, do you guarantee a 4 pup litter, as you are basing your "good deal" claim on such? All these expenses that are cited for the stud dog owner are the same and more for the bitch owner along with a current brucellosis test. I've been in both beagles and coon hounds all my life and I've seen many, many make the guarantees so if a stud dog owner is not going to make the guarantee of a live litter then I'll look else where as I'm sure there are stud dog owners that will.
I know I said I wouldn't get back on this subject but I need to clear up a few
things
Mr Anderson was given the opportunity to use a return on any bitch he wanted because
at the time that was my policy and still would be if we bred any outside bitches
ther has always been a return breeding offered here
he forgets that in Jan this year when I was going to KY He had made arrangements wtih me to Deliver a pup, to wardog on this site, in Ind
at the time he believed I still owed him from 10 t0 12 years ago
I told him I didn't think so, I told him i would deduct 100 dollars from the price of a male pup
which he agreed to, a day or so before we were leaving he emailed me saying he couldn't take the pup
Now am i supposed to feel sorry for him and GIVE him the pup as he expects me to do now?
I dont think so!
I dont feel obligated to this person at all this late in the game
As far as he painting a picture of me trying to avoid him by not answering my phoneThat too is just BS I am not in the habit of avoiding anyone as most people that know me will
attest to!
Now he expects me to GIVE him a 7 month old bitch wrong again!!
yes we did charge him for delivery not him but Mr wardog
That is true as John did deliver a pup for me and I paid him exactly what he asked to deliver the pup. We conversed and he told me what he would charge and I agreed. I will also say that the pup was handled very well and in excellent condition when I met John and picked her up. I never made any statement to the contrary but did state that if a dog is at public stud then I believe a live litter is expected, meaning more than one. I don't know the exacts of this situation but do know that I will never breed another dog without a written contract myself. If you have a female bred, she doesn't take and you contact the stud owner that says, bring her back for a return service and the second time she takes but only one pup was produced to which you hear the reply of that's the best I can do, don't meet that litter obligation. Well, one pup don't pay a $300 stud fee, two $50.00 brucellosis tests, two trips to the VET to get them and gas traveling to the stud and back twice nor does it take into account MY time. My whole point is that if you pay for a public stud service then the bitch owner should get a live litter for their time and efforts with litter meaning more than one and if a stud dog owner will not put that in writing then I'll be moving on as it is sure hard to remember exactly what was or was not stated when the original verbal contract was agreed too. I suspect it would be even harder after 10 years and many dogs later.
