Smokes creek Syris

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:51 pm

Actually Syris would probably do real good on hare. The way I have understood it and forgive me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Hare are alot easier for dogs to run than a cottantail. Syris has Hare hound in him so I guess the transition would not be too far of a stretch. If he can smoke a cottan tail I would assume he could really run a hare. Most of the Northern bred hounds started on cottantail are super dogs, the ones I have seen that are started used to running hare have a hard time on the cottantails. But I am sure I am wrong.

nsb · Post by **nsb** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:05 pm

masonbeagles, I wasn't talking about the differece between rabbits and hare that's a whole other topic. LOL. In his stud add he as listed as mediem speed front running,quick on checks. In ontario I don't think medium speed would keep you at the front. Also running in classes of 30 or more hounds is alot different than a pack of 7. It takes a very steady level headed hound to handle this kind of pressure. That is a trait I look for in picking a stud. I am not saying he can't do it just would like to see him try. With all of the people that come over form New York I don't hink it would cost Rick that much to send him. He still is a young hound with ,hopefully, lots of running left in him.

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:07 am

Ky Beagles · Post by **Ky Beagles** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:14 am

I can personally attest to the fact that Syris is not a medium speed hound. Syris finished in the Midwest Association, and I think you have to have a pretty peppy hound to finish, also a very level headed hound. There would be no problem of Syris finishing in Canada, it is time to see if he is going to be a reproducer; to see if he can produce anything better than he.

Bower · Post by **Bower** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:41 pm

Hi there KY I was just wondering how many hounds you have ran in ONT. or maybe finished in Canada?Or how many of your hounds run on hare?About the same amount I have finished in the states on Cottontail Right.And as regards to running cottontail being harded then hare will a cottontail is smaller and runs for 10 mins. a hare is a little bigger and runs for 10 hrs but I'm not real good at math myself.I don't think anyone has any beef with the quality of this hound but if he is as good as he is said to be why not run him in some big dog trials,maybe he is the superdog we are all looking for but he is only given half the chance he should be.He could be a hound with all the titles and be a big producer now thats A HOUND.Take care.P.S it was said he ran againist and beat some top Canadian hounds I was just wondering who some of those hounds would be?thanks.

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:29 pm

Bower, you would be correct after posting last night I got to thinking about it and you hit it on the head the advantage a dog run consistently on a hare. They would definately be in alot better shape than a dog that is run on rabbit. Friends of mine that have gone to the U. P. have claimed their dogs passed blood after running for a couple of days.

Actually I had no reason to post on this, I have never seen Sy go nor do I have any pups outta him. I have heard from a source I trust that he is the real deal. So until I see otherwise that will probably be my take on the dog.

I did post to counter what I thought was a negative post on him. If it was not then I just read it wrong and I apologize.

I have seen his accomplishments and they at least tell me he is a nice dog. Those formats are no pushovers. By his stud ad picture he is a nice looking hound also.

I would like to see him ran and finished in Canada. But his owner or the dog really has nothing else to prove. I feel like he has accomplished alot more than any of the other dogs I am aware of. But I think the Beagle World needs a "SeaBiscuit" just like the horse racing world does.

You guys up North take it easy on them dogs. lol

kybeagles · Post by **kybeagles** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:23 am

You know I am not going to sit here and go back and forth over the dog. He is a nice hound I have never ran hare, and I'm sure that a 10hr. hare race is much more challenging than a 10 minute rabbit race. I was just stating that he could probably finish in Canada. I was not making statements at what was easier to run a rabbit or a hare. Take care and have a Great Holiday Season. Jamie Hilbert Kentucky Beagles

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:40 am

We've finished one hound in Canada and had another with a win. I've seen plenty of hounds that came out of Ontario with their championship and I will attest that FC Smokes Creek Syris McGee does have the speed to contend with the quick Canadian hounds. He is by NO MEANS a medium speed hound. He is on the middle of fast. I'm not saying yes...Syris could go to Canada and finish...but I am saying that the hound is fast.

nsb · Post by **nsb** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:12 am

KYbeagles and KanesIrish thanks for your input on Syris. I was only going by a stud add I read a while ago. His new one in TAB doesn't give much info on him. To Ky I think at 4 years old he could still compete and have time for a few breedings. I would have to think he breed enough this past year in kentucky to get a good feel for what type of producer he will become.
Spo has some good points for measuring a hounds ability but there are somethings that are not tested as they are in LPH that I would like to see in hounds. Don't take that statement the wrong way, there are lots of things that LPH doesn't test for in a true hare hound either.

Bopeye · Post by **Bopeye** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:49 pm

My partner and I have our pups out of Syris and Singleton's Tango in the starting pen right now. They just turned six months old last week and the owner of the starting pen said they were doing great. I do know that at four months old, my little gyp out of syris was running with my two older dogs and they jumped a bunny. Who was in the lead? You guessed it, my pup! She wasn't opening up yet, but she had the front by far and had followed right where the rabbit had traveled. I can't wait to get her back on the 3rd of January, but I'm quite confident that she will make an outstanding rabbit dog.
Whether Syris is a triple champion, International Field Champion, or whatever will not matter to me or the little hound I have out of him.
Bunnies to the gun is what makes a champ in my book.

I plan on breeding one of my linebred Sock it to me hounds back to him and seeing how that goes. Should make for a good hound.

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