cold nose

[bob huffman]

Steve c what post was that you are talking about? Market research!! LOL

[Steve C.]

I don't know anymore, Bob. My head's swimming from all the territory we've covered here, but I WILL say that for those of you who've hung in there, it's been a good discussion. No one should get their feelings hurt with a little disagreement over dogs, it's healthy and every once in a while we learn something. That's why we're here isn't it? Bev, thanks for the opportunity to do something semi-constructive during those slow times at work! Just let me get through today and I've got 3 days in a row running dogs. Weather sounds iffy, but we'll run just the same. Good hunting to all!

[New York Hillbilly]

Just a little to add about hounds and how they react to the raibbit/scent. I caught a big fat cottontail last night in my live trap. This morning I put the cage in with three of my pups. Two of the three were wimpering, wagging tails and circling the cage while the third, my male pup went totaly nuts. The male was attacking the the cage barking and clawing at it and grabbing the cage with his teeth trying to get the rabbit. He actually made his mouth begin to bleed as he ripped at the wire trying to get that rabbit. I then took the cage out of the 20' X 20' pen as well as the pups and let the rabbit go. It was off to the races for the whole crew. All pups opened but the little male was wild with blood lust. As they entered the thick cover by the creek the male pup caught it and dispatched it in short order. He then ran back to the kennel with the rabbit and refused to let the others near his trophy. I took it from him and teased them some more with it and while they all enjoyed the sport, none more than the little male. He has a lot of his father and mother in him and I could not be happier. Both parents go wild eyed and out of their minds to kill a rabbit. This is the type of hounds I like to keep because they always seem to be much more driven than one that is content just to chase for the sake of the chase.
Time for me to go to work now.
NYH

[Chris]

Chris ,what are you going to be talking about in your siminar

Don, I figured I'd spend the hour on how the brace movement has helped mold the Gundog Beagles of today.
Man, that'd be a pisser, wouldn't it?

Seriously, by contract I can't divulge the specific subject matter. You're gonna' have to attend to find out.

• Here's the seminar schedule:
  January 15 - 7:00 PM
  January 16 - 3:00 PM
  January 17 - 11:00 AM & 5:00 PM
  January 18 - 1:00 PM

To the folks that live in areas of extreme conditions,have any of you tried the fish creek line and if so what did you think of it.Do the fish creek hounds of the Vincents compare favorably with the fish creek hounds of Clarence Jone's time.Can these hounds get it done in the conditions that you guys often describe?

Can't say that I've ever seen anything with that blood close up enough to know. Are there any popular hounds with that blood close up today?

[Guest]

I dont know if there are any popular hounds of today with that blood up close.However many lines go back to that blood.Most of those dogs were before my time but it is a hobby of mine to study bloodlines/pedigrees.The fish creek hounds were known for excellent nose and the ability to run in tough conditions.Gene Vincent and his nephew in Watertown ,Ny are the only people I have ever heard of that have kept the line going.From their website they seem interested in the type of hound that is successful in tough conditions.Being they are located near Buffalo I would assume they run in the conditions similar to what you guys often describe.I have never looked into the Vincents hounds because we dont have much need for hounds who can run in those conditions.
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel

[Chris]

From their website they seem interested in the type of hound that is successful in tough conditions.

Do you happen to have that website address?

[Bob Graves]

Here you go Chris.

Sniff-A-Long beagles http://beagler9.tripod.com/

[Chris]

Thanks Bob. I'll take a look now.

[Guest]

Anonymous?

J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel

[Joe West]

I ran hounds with Gene Vincent some ten or so years ago down to Corning B.C.. He's a vary nice man. He and a couple of his friends like to run small packs together and run often.

[Clyde Gott]

Did the thread change directions or did someone throw up a white flag?

[Joe West]

I don't know what happened I was looking forward to discussing desire.

[Guest]

Joe, you don't discuss anything! Clyde, you just can't let well enough alone can you!

[snowshoehareguide]

i ran fri ,sat , sunday.,. conditions were snow ,rain ,ice. in that order... dogs ran super,good,and amost not at all. in that order.. i would like to have seen a lot of different dogs ran same place same time sunday.... i had my best and they were lucky to complete one circle... i need more nose... the two dogs i ran can run on good snow at way below zero... they coulndt run at all on ice and 25-30 degress.. they stink... ill feed them till i find something better... where will i find them?????? ... pete

[Steve C.]

Pete, we had similar results here. Saturday was a mix of rain and sleet over bare frozen ground and while our dogs struggled in the swamp, fifteen miles away on high ground, another group shot 14 hare. Sunday (can't hunt) was cloudy but drier and we ran at the club; running was fair to good. Monday was colder but dry and dogs struggled on the low ground and hammered on the high ground. Give me snow and below zero any day. Any good dog can run on fresh snow, white hare on bare ground is a curse. Finally getting some snow today but back to work. I hope my winter's worth of lousy running is behind us. Every year we have 4 or 5 days that the dogs do poorly- they seem to all have come during one week this year.