coyote dog to take with beagles...

[Briarhoppers]

Running off a coyote and killing a coyote are two different things. I had two coyote (trash) runs last year. One time I had a 13 1/2" one yr. old male beagle - ran a coyote all over tarnation before I could catch him. Yes the coyote was sited. Another time I had three young dogs on a coyote before I could get them shocked and they were in another zip code and yes the coyote was seen. I have also had beagles killed by coyotes that were running a rabbit.

I think a coyote will do whatever is "easiest" to survive. They will run if it is easier than fighting. They will attack if they feel like they are protecting their turf or are hungry.

I have also on numerous occassions watch my father-in law's boxer X great peranese (sp?) run coyotes out of the back field. So, I think it is very possible to find dogs that will run off a coyote. But, I don't have any experience in dogs that can single handed run down and kill a yote.

I have family in south Mississippi and the big sport down there is to run yotes. They cross walkers w/ grey hounds and they start a race and drive around in their 4x4's and CB radios and when the yote crosses a road they throw a few fresh hounds on the track and pick up the tired ones. The sport is have the dogs run the yote into the ground and then kill it. Most times it takes a whole day of running....but they do kill the yote.

-Pete

[chapkosbeagles]

hay my beagles. all she did the last few snows of winter is run her by her self. i killed a few coyotes, and never seen her run to the truck. seen her a lot of times 50 yards off there azz. i have been hearing them coon hunting lately, so i am going to take her out and free cast her into the woods will see if she lives. now that it is so close to winter i am wanting to keep her around. she will be forsale next summer more than likely. i will show her anytime BY HERSELF. maybe i havent ran across that big arresive yote that you are talking about ,but i will sell her to anyone who want to buy a good dog. she runs them off. i do the shooting

[TBrabbitman]

Try 2 pit bulls and a S&W 45. It might just take care of the yotes.
but raise your pits around your beagles so they get along.

[dave404]

Silverzuk, your description fits exactly what i would want also.
I have the Akitas, but they are too old and wasnt raised around my beagles. they are a very protective breed, we have them in the front yard and they wont bother my wifes cats but i have seen them kill strange cats in a sec.
i have had several beagles cut up and a couple killed the past few years, always female beagles and always wounds to the flanks, and always during the pup and breeding months.
i never was sure as why the victims were females and not my males, maybe a female yote protecting her young or ????
last one though that was attacked ,about a month ago was a young year old male. no growling ,or anything. my female came to the truck and started booger barking so i loaded her and when i lifted the male he squalled, he had 2 fang holes ,1 on his breast and the other under his leg. took him a couple wks. to heal up.
Ok, heres the sad part, last wk. i told my boy to help me load some older hounds. i have raised from pups and i'd take em out just to get em off the chain. I turned out on an old stripmine road and only a few 100 feet off they start barking , me thinking they hit a track but then they hush and about 15 minutes later all come back but old sally. I load em all and sat for 2 hrs., all silent, 11:30 pm have to go to work at 4am so i go home and my son goes back with a pack and stays till morning. no luck finding Sally, we been back every evening looking.
never had one die from a snakebite as mostly copperheads but rattlers probably are getting thicker here in magoffin county and its a possibility a rattler got her or i got a silent killer on hand as no growls or anything when the male got bit.

[JUDE]

reddog1 Chuck Norris from Michigan runs them yotes with
Patch dogs .

Goodluck ,
Buddy

[mybeagles]

SilverZuk and others,

You are correct, there are different scenario's. The first being your dog crosses paths with a resting coyote thats not looking for any trouble. Most any dog, beagle, poodle, wolf hound, or any hound that will bark and pursue the coyote will run it out of the section. This is the type of coyote that is the coyote hunters dream....dogs chase it for several miles and hopefully get in close enough to shoot it. When this coyote tires, it will sit down and beagles, non agressive dogs (majority) will boogie bark a few times, but will likely not get within 40 yards. Then wander off like they lost it. IF.... you have have a pack of agressive coyote hounds which is hard to come up with, they will surround the coyote, have a few more short chases, but eventually surround the coyote and bay it or possibly kill it if its not a real large male. Again, 1 dog will not do this by itself, but one dog will create a chase if the coyote is willing. This type of coyote poses no real threat to your beagles.

Next scenario, coyotes are packed up and on the hunt. Coyotes are pack animals, and when they hunt they pack up. This is the most dangerous scenario that could result in dead beagles. Believe it or not, the dogs "know" what type of scenario they are involved in. When the dogs run into this type of pack they go crazy. They boogie bark all over the woods, their eyes get big, some try to hide, others leave the country. In this scenario, VERY VERY few dogs will go in to confront the coyotes, even among agressive coyote dogs that have killed coyotes in the past. The key here is the dogs know the difference. Your best bet here is to get you dogs and get out of the woods. In one similar instance, I seen a guy use a decoy dogs to lure the coyotes into gun range, but dogs are not going to run them out of the section...period!

There is a third scenario. This is Jan-Feb time frame while the mating is going on. If a dominant male is running with some females in season they are not going to run regardless. In this situation, the majority of the time the hounds will act like there are no coyotes in the woods. Again, the dogs know the situation, that the coyotes are not going to run and they come out of the woods. Remarkably, the dogs dont boogie bark, but ranther slip out of the woods on the other side of the section either back tracking in an act of complete ignorance or looking for another coyote. Yes, coyotes will run this time a year, but not under the above condition.

One last thing to remember, it is a matter of kill or not. If the dog is agressive enough to go in on a coyote that doesnt want to run, one of them is going to die. Single hounds are grossely outmatched by a pack of hunting coyotes and will always loose.

There are two different approaches to running coyote with dogs. The first is with dogs that will run coyotes that want to run. This can be done with beagles, or a variety of different large breed hounds. The goal is to intersect the coyote and shoot it before the coyote tires out completely. This is the most realistic type.

The second is running coyotes with starter hounds that run a coyote for several miles until it begins to tire and then start adding numerous "fresh" hounds that are agressive and the large pack of hounds moves in for the kill......this is what you hear most coyote hunters claim but from my observations this is about 2% of the hunters. When hunting this way the trouble you run into is having a large pack of agressive hounds killing a coyote and then start fighting themselves and killing eachother. Very delicate balance, and you "will have some big vet bills".

If anyone owns, or knows someone that owns a hound that will chase a coyote out of the section you need to understand what mode the coyote is in. If your dog chases it away, it wasnt at any risk to begin with. If your dog comes out of the woods barking and scared to death, there is a reason for this. It knows its in danger and your not going to send in a single dog to run a pack of hunting or breeding coyotes out of the woods. Unless you have put many hours in the woods and know what I am talking about, your comments will be giving the original poster false hopes! Just like with rabbits, if the game is willing to run you will have a chase. If the game wont run, you will not have much of a race regardless of how good your dog is...... Happy hunting!

[271rockridge]

Have you tried running with bells on them this has worked good for me .I had 2 chewed up about 6 years ago been running bells ever since with no attacks.The swiss style bell is the best IMO.Terry

[AlabamaSwamper]

I've seen a many coyotes whip a whole pack of walker hounds. They are tough as hell and ain't scared of no dogs. There is a reason coyote hunters keep putting fresh hounds out during the race.

Running a yote is one thing but killing one is another. YOu get after a dominate male or a mother with pups and you better count your blessings if you don't lose a dog.

I speak from experience with big hounds, not hearsay.

[mybeagles]

Alabama Swamper,

Finally a voice of reason. I know you have been there and done it now ......I wanted to get into running coyote soooooo bad but the only guys I found that were successful spent thousands and thousands of dollars and only had limited success. I have plenty of respect for the guys who are successful, but I realized I didnt have the time or money to make it enjoyable.

A friend of mine runs them with 16-18" beagles with as good a luck as anyone. They stay 70-100 yards behind the coyote and stop when the coyote stops. But like any breed, if the coyote comes after them, they run for their lives. Amazing how fast a dog can find the truck when they need to.

[RiverBottom]

Mybeagles, you must have some tuff coyotes out that way. I know lots of coyote hunters here. They run them all winter with anywhere from one to six hounds. Everyone here always looks forward to February when the coyotes are breeding, they move more (leaving more tracks to find and drop dogs on) and you can usualy find them in pairs. Kill one and come back and put the dogs on the other one. Never heard of a coyote running coyote hounds off? But then, I've never had coyotes bother my beagles either. They get chased by hounds all winter here, they usualy clear out when they hear one no matter what mood they are in.

I agree with you on one point, ain't many dogs can kill a coyote alone, or even with lots of help.

My old neighbor Gene Stueve hunted this pair of hounds (without any other dogs) for years and averaged 30 - 50 coyotes a year.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

Ok I have seen a few yotes around my place and I admittedly have limited experience with them except for a few well placed riffle shots but I can guarantee you that I will never ever loose a beagle with my rot around. I have a rot that is a BIG BIG BIG SOB trained to attack anything and everything I tell it too. I am pretty sure that it could bite a yote in half. If my beagles were being attacked by a yote he would die before disobeying an attack command.... And he wouldn't get sucked into chasing it because its trained to be called off in mid-fight. And maybe even he doesn't kill the yote and it runs off but the goal is too not loose a beagle, right?

I would love to go out with you guys with heavy yote populations to test this theory and my dog is friendly to everybody and every animal until told otherwise. I just never had a yote go after my beagles when he is there(THANK GOD) Maybe my dog looses but I would bet the bank he doesn't.....Could it beat an entire pack of yotes? probably not but some would die with him.

I have seen on TV two dogs (don't know the breed) take down a full grown mountain lion so I know there are dogs that could wallop a yote. Think about it. If they were that tough then mchael vik and other dog fighters would have yote fights but they don't because they would get beat in seconds in a fighting ring. Have you ever seen how skinny and little those things are after shooting one compared to a pit bull, rotweiler or mastif? Ya, they have moderately tough skin and longer teeth and are fast as hell but thats nothin for a dog thats been specifically bred hundreds of years to be an animal killin machine or one that can lock his jaws around a neck.....

ps. Here is the link to who my dog was trained by if you think I am F.O.S. my freinds
http://www.globalk9group.com/

[mybeagles]

You all can guarentee your dog would chase, catch and kill a coyote, but until they have done it, lets keep to what you have done.

I stated earlier there are guys that have hounds that will chase coyotes and even bay them till you can get in and kill them. Like the guy in Mo. they spend a lot of time in the woods and develop a pack that will work for them........I know guys that have killed over 100 in one season, but these guys will be the first to tell you there are coyotes that will not run. You move on to the next one!

The classic line that 90% of coyote hunters will tell you "IF THE COYOTE WONT RUN IT WILL DIE" OR " IF MY DOGS CANT KILL THAT COYOTE YOU CAN HAVE MY TRUCK" If a guy makes these statements, either they are rediculous liars or they dont get out of the truck and find out whats going on.

Northern coyotes that live in real wild areas are much meaner than farmland coyotes, but their still coyotes.

[TC]

Here is a dog bred specifically to hunt and take down wolves why wouldn't this dog work for coyotes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Wolfhound

[honeyrun]

If you are truly looking for a dog to take down a yote, you might look into an Airdale Terrier from western hunting stock or a German bred DD (Deutsch Drathaar [sp?]). Both dogs are tested and hunted on fur. Most DD's are done so as a single dog test. They are very loyal and easily trained.

Try going over to http://www.versatiledogs.com. Ask your questions there, as there is atleast one person that raises and trains his Airdales to hunt yotes.

Good luck.
Cindy

[allniter]

when hunting at the UKC nationals this year had a female from WV. got bit on the back leg ---the female coyote had a littler of [6] pups in a big brush pile ----coyote with pups will not run from dogs either -----NOTE:::::I think something was wrong with the pups --I think they died ---PS"""" we didn't run any rabbits in the place either