Sarah Palin???

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

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[TC]

You can cry all you want . I made alot of cash when bill clinton was in office even though i was a republican thats the truth. They was alot of jobs and gas was cheap . I own my business and people was buying I payed my house off earlier and 3 cars .Than bought 10 acre farm . Than bush beat gore i voted for bush than it took about 4months .I notice the cash wasn't comeing in people getting layoff . And gas was going up so i sold my business .I"M DEBT FREE I was better off in the 90s I had more guns in the 90s IF that is the change their talking about count me in. :nod You just have to take the BLINDERS OFF GUY"S

Thats Cause Slick Willy Was Runnin On What REAGAN had already Done Just like Bush has had to try and Correct all the BS that Clinton Caused............Took Clinton 8 years to undo Everything Reagan had done for us....

[Dr. Chris]

My granddad told me when I was small when people talk listen you can alway learn but if you want to know who they are watch what they do because their actions will alway be true to who they are.

I agree, Now I would like for you to read this article about what the people closest to John McCain has to say about him.

Now that Hillary Clinton has at last formally withdrawn from the race for the White House, the eyes of America and the world will focus on Barack Obama and his Republican rival Senator John McCain.

While Obama will surely press his credentials as the embodiment of the American dream a handsome, charismatic young black man who was raised on food stamps by a single mother and who represents his country’s future – McCain will present himself as a selfless, principled war hero whose campaign represents not so much a battle for the presidency of the United States, but a crusade to rescue the nation’s tarnished reputation.

McCain likes to illustrate his moral fiber by referring to his five years as a prisoner-of-war in Vietnam. And to demonstrate his commitment to family values, the 71-year-old former US Navy pilot pays warm tribute to his beautiful blonde wife, Cindy, with whom he has four children.

But there is another Mrs. McCain who casts a ghostly shadow over the Senator’s presidential campaign. She is seldom seen and rarely written about, despite being mother to McCain’s three eldest children.

And yet, had events turned out differently, it would be she, rather than Cindy, who would be vying to be First Lady. She is McCain’s first wife, Carol, who was a famous beauty and a successful swimwear model when they married in 1965.

She was the woman McCain dreamed of during his long incarceration and torture in Vietnam’s infamous ‘Hanoi Hilton’ prison and the woman who faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news.

But when McCain returned to America in 1973 to a fanfare of publicity and a handshake from Richard Nixon, he discovered his wife had been disfigured in a terrible car crash three years earlier. Her car had skidded on icy roads into a telegraph pole on Christmas Eve, 1969. Her pelvis and one arm were shattered by the impact and she suffered massive internal injuries.

When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.

Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self.

Today, she stands at just 5ft4in and still walks awkwardly, with a pronounced limp. Her body is held together by screws and metal plates and, at 70, her face is worn by wrinkles that speak of decades of silent suffering.

For nearly 30 years, Carol has maintained a dignified silence about the accident, McCain and their divorce. But last week at the bungalow where she now lives at Virginia Beach, a faded seaside resort 200 miles south of Washington, she told The Mail on Sunday how McCain divorced her in 1980 and married Cindy, 18 years his junior and the heir to an Arizona brewing fortune, just one month later.

Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’ she says. ‘My accident is well recorded. I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn’t the reason for my divorce.

‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’

Some of McCain’s acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centered womanizer who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to ‘play the field’. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons.

McCain was then earning little more than $25,000 a year as a naval officer, while his new father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was a multi-millionaire who had impeccable political connections and everybody knew that John was going to leach on and hang on.

He first met Carol in the Fifties while he was at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis. He was a privileged, but rebellious scion of one of America’s most distinguished military dynasties – his father and grandfather were both admirals.

But setting out to have a good time, the young McCain hung out with a group of young officers who called themselves the ‘Bad Bunch’.

His primary interest was women and his conquests ranged from a knife-wielding floozy nicknamed ‘Marie, the Flame of Florida’ to a tobacco heiress and he also often paid for his “companionship”.

Carol fell into his fast-living world by accident. She escaped a poor upbringing in Philadelphia to become a successful model, married an Annapolis classmate of McCain’s and had two children – Douglas and Andrew – before renewing what one acquaintance calls ‘an old flirtation’ with McCain.

It seems clear she was bowled over by McCain’s attention at a time when he was becoming bored with his playboy lifestyle.

‘He was 28 and ready to settle down and he loved Carol’s children,’ recalled another Annapolis graduate, Robert Timberg, who wrote The Nightingale’s Song, a bestselling biography of McCain and four other graduates of the academy.

The couple married and McCain adopted Carol’s sons. Their daughter, Sidney, was born a year later, but domesticity was clearly beginning to bore McCain – the couple were regarded as ‘fixtures on the party circuit’ before McCain requested combat duty in Vietnam at the end of 1966.

He was assigned as a bomber pilot on an aircraft carrier in the Gulf of Tonkin.

What follows is the stuff of the McCain legend. He was shot down over Hanoi in October 1967 on his 23rd mission over North Vietnam and was badly beaten by an angry mob when he was pulled, half-drowned from a lake.

Over the next five-and-a-half years in the notorious Hoa Loa Prison he was regularly tortured and mistreated.

It was in 1969 that Carol went to spend the Christmas holiday – her third without McCain – at her parents’ home. After dinner, she left to drop off some presents at a friend’s house.

It wasn’t until some hours later that she was discovered, alone and in terrible pain, next to the wreckage of her car. She had been hurled through the windscreen.

After her first series of life-saving operations, Carol was told she may never walk again, but when doctors said they would try to get word to McCain about her injuries, she refused, insisting: ‘He’s got enough problems, I don’t want to tell him.’ H. Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, future presidential candidate and advocate of prisoners of war, paid for her medical care.

When McCain, his hair turned prematurely white and his body reduced to little more than a skeleton, was released in March 1973, he told reporters he was overjoyed to see Carol again.

But friends say privately he was ‘appalled’ by the change in her appearance. At first, though, he was kind, assuring her: ‘I don’t look so good myself. It’s fine.’

He bought her a bungalow near the sea in Florida and another former POW helped him to build a railing so she could pull herself over the dunes to the water.

‘I thought, of course, we would live happily ever after,’ says Carol. But as a war hero, McCain was moving in ever-more elevated circles. ‘I had hoped his horrible experience had changed John’ said Carol.

Through Ross Perot, he met Ronald Reagan, then Governor of California. A sympathetic Nancy Reagan took Carol under her wing.

But already the McCain’s’ marriage had begun to fray. ‘John started carousing and running around with women,’ said Robert Timberg.

McCain has acknowledged that he had girlfriends during this time, without going into details. Some friends blame his dissatisfaction with Carol, but others give some credence to her theory of a mid-life crisis.

He was also fiercely ambitious, but it was clear he would never become an admiral like his illustrious father and grandfather and his thoughts were turning to politics.

In 1979 – while still married to Carol – he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage.

Carol and her children were devastated. ‘It was a complete surprise,’ says Nancy Reynolds, a former Reagan aide.

‘They never displayed any difficulties between themselves. I know the Reagans were quite shocked because they loved and respected both Carol and John.’ This was the final act of many actions by John that provoked Ronald Reagan to proclaim that John was a deceitful person with many masks and was out for personal gain and could not and should not be trusted.

Another friend added: ‘Carol didn’t fight him. She felt her infirmity made her an impediment to him. She justified his actions because of all he had gone through. She used to say, “He just wants to make up for lost time.”’

Indeed, to many in their circle the saddest part of the break-up was Carol’s decision to resign herself to losing a man she says she still adores.

Friends confirm she has remained friends with McCain and backed him in all his campaigns. ‘He was very generous to her in the divorce but of course he could afford to be, since he was marrying Cindy, and John had Carol convinced that she was holding him back’ one observed.

McCain transferred the Florida beach house to Carol and gave her the right to live in their jointly-owned townhouse in the Washington suburb of Alexandria. He also agreed to pay her alimony and child support.

A former neighbor says she subsequently sold up in Florida and Washington and moved in 2003 to Virginia Beach. He said: ‘My impression was that she found the new place easier to manage as she still has some difficulties walking.’

Meanwhile McCain moved to Arizona with his new bride immediately after their 1980 marriage. There, his new father-in-law gave him a job and introduced him to local businessmen and political powerbrokers who would smooth his passage to Washington via the House of Representatives and Senate.

And yet despite his popularity as a politician, there are those who won’t forget his treatment of his first wife.

Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit.

‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. ‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.

‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol. John would do, say, use, act or portray to be what ever to who ever to get what he wants, even if he is hurting those closest to him in the process. He has no honor and he can’t be trusted.’

One old friend of the McCain’s said: ‘Carol always insists she is not bitter, but I think that’s a defense mechanism. She also feels deeply in his debt because in return for her agreement to a divorce, he promised to pay for her medical care for the rest of her life.’

Carol remained resolutely loyal as McCain’s political star rose. She says she agreed to talk to The Mail on Sunday only because she wanted to publicize her support for the man who abandoned her.

Indeed, the old Mercedes that she uses to run errands displays both a disabled badge and a sticker encouraging people to vote for her ex-husband. ‘We are still good friends.’

But Ross Perot, who actually paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.

‘McCain is the classic opportunist. Ron Reagan was right, a humble sheep with a deceitful wolf’s heart. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said.

‘After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’

[TC]

WOW ya Had to dig to find that one Didnt ya......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_McCain

Despite the divorce, Carol McCain has remained on good terms with John McCain,[24] and has supported him in all his subsequent political campaigns.[1] She refused to discuss her marriage with an election opponent of McCain's in 1982 who was seeking negative information about him, telling the opponent that "a gentleman never would have called."[30] She supports her ex-husband's 2008 presidential campaign, and told The Mail on Sunday in June 2008 that she was not bitter and that, "He's a good guy. We are still good friends. He is the best man for president."[1]

That's good enough for me.

John and Carol were married for less than 2 years (IIRC) when he went to Vietnam. Does that matter? Of course it does in the lay out of how many marriages fall / fell apart after the first couple years even without 1) military involvement 2) going to war 3) being in prison camp more years than you were physically present in a marriage 4) serious trauma to both spouses.

A really snarky article in an English tabloid last month made great currency out of victimizing Carol McCain ... but they quoted her a couple times as clearly stating the reason she met with them was to support John. Nice sleaze there, tab.

I have a fuzzy recall of that article or another at he time mentioning that McCain (while Perot may have covered bills while McCain was a POW) covers Carol's medical bills.

The tabloid made snarky comments about her moving (having to move?) to the "faded resort" of Virginia Beach, and her old Mercedes. The picture of her getting out of her car would lead me to believe most of us would trade all our cars in a heart beat for her "old Mercedes."

Also mentioned in the article was the point that Carol McCain was married previously to one of John's fellow Navy acquaintances (father of first two sons) and got divorced -- and married John. No mention of who was to "blame" there. John McCain took responsibility for the boys from her first marriage.

The story of his divorce is very sad. As biographer Timberg said, if any two people deserved to make it, it was those two. He rightfully takes the blame.

It's somewhat reassuring to me that he's close to all seven of his kids, and his widely admired first wife likes him and supports him politically. His 28-year second marriage to another widely admired woman seems solid.

It took his oldest two kids years to get over the hurt, but since then McCain has been able to have a close relationship with them, even though he is not the biological father. His oldest son became a naval aviator like Dad, and his second oldest son works for Cindy selling beer.

I am not justifying behavior, I just think it is interesting that people want to make Carol the victim forever, when she has seemingly made peace with herself and John and does not want that. It is a real act of Monday morning self righteousness to look back and dissect a marriage and divorce without knowing really what happened.

In that book John McCain unequivocally states that the divorce was his fault, not the military's, or Carol's. Say what you will, he's not blaming the media, his subordinates, the cashier at the grocery store, his minister, his grandmother, or anyone else who seems to be the cause of other candidates (and president's) questionable decisions.
Seriously, the business of the divorce is nobody's business but the couple's, except insofar as a party's conduct may be a comment on his character. McCain doesn't come out looking too good, but in his favor he has always been TOTALLY upfront about the fact that his personal failings and infidelity cost him his marriage, and takes full blame. If his ex-wife is gracious and generous towards him, and his kids have turned out well (as they certainly appear to have done), it's not a public issue. (Worth noting: Carol was married and had children when she met the bachelor John McCain, so she knows how the world turns in that department.)

Recognizing that divorce is an unpleasant and sad reality, a thing in most cases to be grieved, it still is a bit weird to me that American serial polygamists want to make a big deal out of this old news when a person who was close and a mentor to Obama was a serial sex offender and was given a pass.
Try Again!!

[Rabbithoundjb]

Dr. Chris you should go back and read my insert that you posted because it clearly says watch what they do, not read some propaganda and half truths designed to sway someone one way or the other that is too lazy to research or pay attention on his own.

Casey you might want to also read your own post again if you expect anyone with any smarts at to believe that Bush or any other President could push enuogh legislature though government to effect you in four months and I blieve you said you were debt free. Do some research Clinton had more jobs leave the country in his last 4 years than Bush has his entire 8 and closed numerous military bases on top of that.

[mrwvsportsman]

This says enough for me!
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

This says enough for me!
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

Good video. Won't be long before the word is on the street in spite of the liberal biased media. Thanks God for AM radio and the internet. Didn't Al Gore invent the net? Bet he regrets it now.


Dr. Chris.....Give it a rest. Your pasted posts are getting old. *YAWNS*
Excellent rebuttal TC.

[sanfordssj]

This says enough for me!
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

Good video. Won't be long before the word is on the street in spite of the liberal biased media. Thanks God for AM radio and the internet. Didn't Al Gore invent the net? Bet he regrets it now.


Dr. Chris.....Give it a rest. Your pasted posts are getting old. *YAWNS*
Excellent rebuttal TC.

If I remember right you had three pages of pasted post! Talk about a wastes of space. Don't be a republican hypocrite!

Keep them up DrChris, I enjoy seeing them

[Rneil]

Yea, Dr. Chris gives half truths, copies just enough to make his point. Dr. Chris gave a post that stated Ayers was not really associated with the people who did the bombing. He was dead wrong. Even on Ayers site he stated that he was a co-founder of the movement. Here is some more information on his connection with Obama:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ52cE1OwH8

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

This says enough for me!
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

Good video. Won't be long before the word is on the street in spite of the liberal biased media. Thanks God for AM radio and the internet. Didn't Al Gore invent the net? Bet he regrets it now.


Dr. Chris.....Give it a rest. Your pasted posts are getting old. *YAWNS*
Excellent rebuttal TC.

If I remember right you had three pages of pasted post! Talk about a wastes of space. Don't be a republican hypocrite!

Keep them up DrChris, I enjoy seeing them

Yep, trying to make a point to Dr. Chris that anyone can cut paste,except mine was McCain's voting record...something Barrack needs to look into to. Looks like 85% of the board is voting for McCain. You'll never come on a hunting board and convince everyone to take a chance on losing their guns to a liberal jackass like Obama. But, I have enjoyed watchig you try.

[sanfordssj]

[/quote]Yep, trying to make a point to Dr. Chris that anyone can cut paste,except mine was McCain's voting record...something Barrack needs to look into to. Looks like 85% of the board is voting for McCain. You'll never come on a hunting board and convince everyone to take a chance on losing their guns to a liberal jackass like Obama. But, I have enjoyed watchig you try. [/quote]

Good post Ed

[sanfordssj]

Yea, Dr. Chris gives half truths, copies just enough to make his point. Dr. Chris gave a post that stated Ayers was not really associated with the people who did the bombing. He was dead wrong. Even on Ayers site he stated that he was a co-founder of the movement. Here is some more information on his connection with Obama:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ52cE1OwH8

Hmmm, that sounds pretty familiar? I think you and PRK are guilty of the same crime! But, lets not forget that these are all good points to look at no matter what they cut from! This is a very important election and every thing is subject to US talking about!

[Dr. Chris]

Lolol, you can slander me or anybody else on here that does not share your opinion, but be a man or woman and at leased be honest and stop being so one sided, judgmental and dogmatic. Just because people don’t agree with you, it doesn’t justify you being rude judgmental and dishonest. It does not mean Democrats are “baby killers” and anti-American either.

I am totally against abortion and many other things that violate my personal values and morals. But I don’t look to the White House for the “backing” of those things. I look to churches, pastor’s, parents that teach their children properly and others that are in a position or place of opportunity to impact or teach people concerning morals, scruples and values. Each have their rightful place and I look to the White House for the betterment and government of the people of this nation, such as health care, education, employment and jobs, and the security of our people which includes our military and war. Those 4 things; health care, education, jobs and war. Everything else that most are complaining about is personal issues that should be taken care of at home by our churches, pastor’s and parents. The Democrats are focusing on these 4 main issues while the republicans continue to pound on issues that no matter who you put in the White House these things can’t be changed anyway because they are personal choices by people that are “mixed-up” or “confused” by bad parenting, lack of going to church or attending a church that’s more concerned with the offering plate than teaching and preaching the truth so they blame the guy in the White House.

Example, adultery is actually illegal in many states. In NC Section 14 184. Fornication and adultery - If any man and woman, not being married to each other, shall lewdly and lasciviously associate, bed and cohabit together, they shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor: Provided, that the admissions or confessions of one shall not be received in evidence against the other.

Could you imagine if they actually enforced this law? You could not build enough prisons. Jesus Christ himself died on a cross so that every man and woman could choose salvation. The freedom to choose good over evil is what God is all about, not to force it. If God wanted a bunch of robots to do everything that he commands he would have made it so. But He wants us to do right and be right because we choose to, not because we have to.

I look to the candidates that can actually make a difference for our nation in the areas where the people themselves can’t or do not have any control over which is those key 4 areas of; health care, education, jobs and war.

I don’t want to have any hard feelings towards anybody or anybody towards me, but this is my opinion and I think most Democrats are not “baby killers” or anything else, you really should not label people the way you do. I think they look to the White House for certain issues only and look to themselves and others concerning issues in other areas.

Very simple, if your concerned about health care, education, jobs and war; than look to the White House and to the Democratic party for help. If you’re concerned about personal and spiritual moral issues, stop being lazy, get in church and be a responsible parent that teaches people some biblical scruples and morals, and stop being a puppet of ignorant scare tactics such as “gun control?”. The things that the Republican Party focuses on are things and issues that are the responsibility of the people at home, parents and in our churches, not the White House.

People from both sides, Republican and Democrat are seeing through the smoke and it will be crystal clear after the debates. This is why come November you will see the Democrats celebrating victory by 10:00pm on Election Day, it won’t even be close.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

People from both sides, Republican and Democrat are seeing through the smoke and it will be crystal clear after the debates. This is why come November you will see the Democrats celebrating victory by 10:00pm on Election Day, it won’t even be close.

Poll: Convention lifts McCain over Obama
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/e ... poll_N.htm

[deadeyebeagle]

dr chirs only god will judge me now and in the end of my life so i will not judge you even though it is tempting and u make it easy. the devil is always near.FACT OBAMA CANT EVEN PUT HIS HAND OVER HIS HEART FOR GOD OR COUNTRY. HE WILL NOT BE MY PRESIDENT.

rneil and pike ridge i agree with you guys 100%