Death of the Jumpdog

[bradadkins]

JSeems like everyone is breeding for speed..or track ability..in the last so many years I have seen less and less of the true jump dogs..the ones that hunt with or without scent..that have a sixth sense about knowing where to look for a rabbit instead of hunting all day around a brushpile instead of crawling under there to push them out. Does anyone know what I am talking about? I love a fast hard driving check dogs as good as anyone..but I bred for a jump dog and a all around dog just the same..I have been lucky enough to own one or 2 of what I call a true jump dog..but others are few and far between.

Long live the jump dog..and god bless the folks that are still breeding for it..

does anyone feel my pain?

[denny606]

you're preaching to the choir here Brad

[Joeyman]

I know exactly what you are saying. I have a small female named daisy. She is my number One jump dog. I have no idea how she knows there a rabbit in there. But every time she enters a brush pile or small patch of grass she jumps it. My other dogs jump there fair share but not like her. She is a short little shrimp dog and works nice and easy throughly searching.

[DIXIEDOG]

I agree, it sure is hard to run a rabbit that hasn't been jumped yet. There is definitely more effort put into speed than jump ability and handling, it's too bad because speed is important but out of the 3 it's the least important for a hunting dog, I need a dog to jump a rabbit, run it , and come back when called. Without all 3 of these things happening it's hard to fill a game bag.

[Goforth]

No matter what type of dog someone breeds, you have to teach a dog what you want them to do. If they are allowed to hunt around a brush pile, they will every time. Just my thought.

[DIXIEDOG]

No matter what type of dog someone breeds, you have to teach a dog what you want them to do. If they are allowed to hunt around a brush pile, they will every time. Just my thought.

This is true to a point, but in my experience some dogs just "have it" you don't need to show them to hunt the brush they just do it. Some pups I've had started themselves, I never had to jump anything for them they just seemed to have natural ability.

[bradadkins]

alot of heart problems today....they just don't have the heart or the desire to brave the brairs..you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink kinda thing..it's either in them..or not........I am talking making a true jumpdog not do alot of chopping but no chips a flying kinda thing...

[oricks_outlaws]

I have one dog right now that I would say is a true Jump and check dog. Just wish I could find another one to join her in my pack. . . . I have a male that has way to much speed if he could only learn to slow down a bit he might stay here.

[WELLS WOODS]

I think it has a lot to do with how they are ran also; most people run at night or late evening when rabbits are stirring and dogs don't have to get in the briars to "jump" the rabbit. I know it is hard to get as good running during the day and may take longer to get a run started even if the rabbits will run. I have a large enclosure and have stopped running at night. When I'm not hunting, I turn them loose in the enclosure during the day when the rabbits are in thier beds; it has improved thier hunt and jumping ability.

[denny606]

you can teach a dog a lot but ,"want to" is bred into them,In my limited experience I have seen dogs that would hunt their guts out and as a friend of mine says " they couldn't jump one in a phone booth" and I own an old grade male that I keep around because he can ease around and not look like he is doing that much then he will head up and tear through a briar patch and come out with a rabbit and run a track with the best of them,he is a fair old dog at best but I keep him because I know what he is doing and I have to feed him.A lot of people wouldn't have him because he don't hunt the hills down like a couple of others I have but they have their faults too.One is too tight mouthed and a couple of them pop off more than they should. But if I ever get one dog that can do all of this right. I'll own one dog instead of a small pack and he is going to go every where I go so I can keep a close eye on him,in case some body else gets to liking him too good too.Let me tell you those dogs aren't for sale ,even though i see a lot of high priced and guaranteed to be the best you ever saw that were for sale,makes me wonder

[blackrunbeagler]

Brad, Denny, you guys are right. I am down to two dogs right now due to time conflicts. But the lack of time really makes you look at the dogs real hard. They are the two that I will keep cause of one reason, HUNT. They will find you a rabbit, regardless of what they have to go through to get one up. That is something they "have", and that something can't be taught. It can be encouraged, but they have "it" or they don't, period. You can't put in what isn't there to begin with, jmo.
Aubrey

[DRamey]

Brad, I had a grade female that died Thanksgiving day, 2001. I saw her jump rabbits in the middle of a snowstorm, under the sericiea, while th snow was weighing it down and flattening it out. Snowed 8 inches in a few hours and she was jumping rabbits the entire time. She was one of two jump dogs I have ever owned, and I don't have one now. The other one was a male grade hound out of an LP grand rabbit champion that had made grand in 5 hunts. The houd I had was too tight for competition, so I foolishly sold him cheap. I have learned better since! I agree that the jump dog is being bred out of hounds, but Lynn Perkins seems to always have at least one or more.

[PREACHERS,KENNEL]

good post aint mnay jump dogs out there anymore ,, i got 2 that jump alot of rabbitas but not what i call a jump dog. i uised to have a couple man its a beautiful thing ...i got har dhunting dogs but no jump dog right now !

[eddywilliams]

Brad ,all my dogs hunt hard and have good umping ability and get their share but my Big Tuna dog is what you are talking about .He hunts hard hasthe nose power and gets in the briars ,the other day I hunted him solo and we walked a small flat kicking and walking through the briars once we were about through we stopped and were telling how surprised and dejected we were that we didnt jump any ,until ole Tuna jumped 1 right exactly where i walked through I just shook my head and listened for the next hour untill i got in place and harvested this smart ole bunny .Ive seen him do this over and over again and have bred him to several nice gyps hoping for alot of his genes to show up ,so far so good .

[rabbitearl]

Man. what so bad is. alot of hunter donot know what a jump dogs is.I had a man two years ago that was going to a pen were there want that many rabbits and I told him have you got a good jump dog he said all 6 of these are jump dogs.When he lelf I said to myself poor fellor don t know what a jump dogs is.Until you have one you will never know.I had a jump dog trial one time out of 18 dog that hunters though they had a jump dog only three came out for jumping rabbits..The dog that won it, came back finding all 5 rabbits in 8 min.There your jump dog.I had one in 90 to 94.I got one now that was good sat.But she is 9 years old now.She alway been fair but sat I dont know she jump all 6 rabbit with 12 dog in there.I mean bed Jump.

I agree with Well woods on training them to hunt better.

I will agree all FC dogs should be able to jump there on rabbit.

A lot of hunters has lost what a rabbit dog is suppose to do.That is to show you a rabbit not you show him.

If I had dogs that I got to show them the rabbit they better not lose him.