Death of the Jumpdog

[xdawg2]

Another thing is this... People anymore don't solo like they did back when they only had a few hounds.

Packing dogs kills production in my opinion... Best jump dogs i've seen are Northway. I'd suggest everyone try some. Probably the best jump dog i've ever had is a buzzsaw bitch.

BUT keep in mind, this doesn't mean every northway or buzz dog will do this. People have forgotten its what you do with them, not just how they are breed. If you leave them up and never get them out or pack them all the time, don't expect much.

Jack

[hunter31]

I just got a 8 yr old beagle the other day this dog is unreal with its hunt. The guy I got it from said he could'nt keep up with his younger dogs. I took him out and he keeps right up with my SPO style dogs. But what a brusher
Hunter

[rock pushin rabbit hunter]

Great post Brad.Aint many of them left out there.I've got one good jump dog in my kennel.There rest hunt hard and jump one or two when you go but I only have one that you can count on for 4or5 rabbits everytime you take him out,and he is a grade dog.I don't know if you can train dogs to jump or if it's just naturally bred into them,but like someone said earlier,solo time in the mornings could'nt hurt.I also think age and experience have alot to do with it.LONG LIVE THE JUMPDOG!!!

[Tim H]

The thing I find ironic about this particular thread is that a huge majority of those posting about the lack of jump dogs, claim to have at least one that is worth bragging about.

[bradadkins]

Fred and Stretch will find you a rabbit..but are not what I call true jump dogs..they are nice all around hounds though..the Ol Rocky dog I had was probably the only one I have ever owned in my life that was..he has since passed on..Ol Jessie was another one that was nice but Rocky is one I miss every time I go. Alot of good memories with that ol boy..they should maek a new movie "Good Jump Dogs go to Heaven: rest in peace ol Rock

[Ky. Hunter]

I agree with you Brad, you don't find a lot of jump dogs anymore. We all have dogs that will hunt hard but they are not what I call jump dogs. The natural jump dog seems to know just where to look for the rabbit and will jump you eight out of ten most of the time and it doesn't have to be the hardest hunting dog in the field. I have seem beagles that hunt just like a bird dog but can not or will not jump many rabbits but they look good with their hunting style and some people think they are a jump dog because of their hunting style. In my opinion you can not train a dog to be a jump dog either it has it or it doesn't.

[JD Baisden]

I've owned beagles going on 12 yrs and the dogs that I would call jump dogs just had a 6th sense about where to jump a rabbit. The things I think that hurt the jump dog is training, breeding for things other than jumping ability and field trials. None of the formats stress the dog's ability to jump a rabbit. When you run your dogs at night you are not training them to do anything, they are just training themselves to run a scent. I'm just as bad as most people and run my dogs at night and always go where I know that I'm going to have good running. One more thing, when we go hunting, how many of us rabbit hunt at night?

[Gbeagle]

The truth of the matter is that most will maybe see or own 1 or 2 true jump dogs we will own a lot of hard hunters. A lot of people are confused about the difference. A true jumpdog as my old friend says can get a rabbit up in the mall parking lot. These are dogs that just seem to be able to make a rabbit appear out of thin air. I have seen a lot of dogs that will sniff ever blade of grass and never find a rabbit.They just dont waste time looking where the rabbit aint. I can honestly say I have seen only 2 so far most would probably have gotten rid of them because they were not a brush busters but some how some way they could get a rabbit up when no other could.

You can't train a dog to be a jumpdog if that were the case everybody would have one. It's truly a trait that is neither taught nor bred.

[PREACHERS,KENNEL]

gb i cant belive i am agreeing with u lol.... i have owned 2 in my life hopefully i can get another!sad part is both were grade dogs.

[bmc96]

It seems like a lot of people want beagles that just fly with a rabbit. I never did like them to run them that fast. I like them about a medium to medium/fast myself. Why do people want them to run extremely fast? Is it for competition purposes? I prefer one to hunt hard, jump rabbits and circle them at a speed you can shoot the rabbit or at least see it instead of a blur.

BMC96

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Pretty interesting subject, my opinion and a one dollar will by you a cup of coffee at mcdonalds.So here it is. Jumpdogs are dogs with the ability to have no respect for there bodies what so ever.True they will find rabbits when most cant ,but they can also jump rabbits in the worst of conditions. Most of you are right the best ones seem to be grade dogs.But did you ever think this--------------We mostly run hare hounds, they dont exactly hunt like we do the ones i have seen range further to find game also.Cottontail dogs hunt different from hare hounds , closer and more exact to the point. But they cant seem to run as fast as ours BUT seem to jump more rabbits closer to us.
So after thinking about it, we as beaglers kinda screwed ourselves when we moved away from what most of us started with, grade hounds. If i was gonna rate jumpdogs in hare hounds i would probaly lean towards northway dogs and there ability to seem to never wear out, but with that being said there is lots of pretty decent jumpdogs out there in the akc. The first akc trial i attended i thought tally ho sticks were for killing snakes, heck i didnt know.Now i do. True gritty type hounds are getting to be top shelf in my eyes cuz everyone has overlooked brains and hunt for speed.Too bad. As for me i will continue the search to retain true grit and jump power.Fads are like beauty they fade only to be forgotten.I own 4 dogs 3 are jump hounds and the other is a clinger.One again this does not reflect anyones opinion but mine.

[chris fuson]

i agree with mapel valley 100 percent, most of us own hare bred hounds, that where bred for big long runs and having to go wide and deep to get there game. it is totally different for a hare hound down here. they are not close and to the point like a cottontail style hound, but main when a hare hound hits it really seems to do well down here. ive got one that i dont call a true jump dog he is from north of the border and he doesnt care plain and simple, fence wall anything he will go thru it, if its 90 degrees or 10 degrees he jumps alot of rabbits cause he is always on the move, but does pass some up beause he hunts so hard and fast, has no ragard for his body, and will come out bloody, every time. i sure miss him alot when i dont take him, believe me. he is straight out of ftch harecharmer ringo x branko's devil blaze (lumberjack daughter) my dad has had grade and registered dogs all his life and he said he has neve seen anything like him. i dont know alot about northway but harecharmer ringo puts the hunt and desire and stmina in them, id suggest it to anyone, im a big branko fan but this harecharmer ringo male can destroy my other double bred branko hounds, he is a half brother to tracy skiles ringo dog. but he still has some of his tail though, but i agree with mapel valley on this we are not running true jump hounds anymore we are running hare hounds, but they can sure run the hair off of one when you get one just right.

[RiverBottom]

I'm a hare hunter, most of my dogs came from cottontail dogs. Go figure

I've learned through these boards that I am a little different than the average beagler I cut my teeth breeding and hunting coonhounds. Always had beagles around but didn't get serious about them until I got too old (or wise) to coonhunt anymore. A good coonhound is expected to get gone when you unsnap the lead. You won't get far in the coonhound world with a hound that don't hunt.

I kind of expect my beagles to hunt the same way. I drive them to the woods, open the dog box and wait for them to jump a rabbit. I've had a couple that I would call jump dogs. If you cut them loose they are going hunting and they ain't coming back unless you make them. They were a huge pain in the a** when young, one still is. It takes lots of lectricity to get them so they don't run junk and handle somewhat. Once you get that down, they do get good at finding rabbits.

These kind of dogs are pretty common in coonhounds today. They are not so common in beagles. No one hunts them that way, they all want a "jump dog" that don't get out of sight. I'm not so sure I need all that hunt myself, sometimes it is more trouble than it is worth

[WELLS WOODS]

Best jump dog I've had was FC Wells' Silver Spring; she would often get left behind while working the hounds at the trials because she would hunt more thorough and stay in the thickets and hunt while the gallery went on ahead; sometimes I would have to go get her, but many times she would jump a rabbit in places all the dogs, horses and gallery had already covered. She died when she was 8, but I still have her blood in my kennel; all my hounds go back to her and they are making good jump dogs also, although they have a lot to learn yet. Spring was hare bred, go figure; grandpup to IFC Trakarab Pacesetter and IFC Branko's Heli-Prop.

[BEAGLEBLUES]

i have a grade gyp that i think of when I think of a jump dog. we went thurs. fri. and sat. and had 16 rabbits jumped. she jumped 12 of them by erself. most were after the other dogs had already been over the area. she was bloody from nose to tail. getting in there. i wish that i had two more like her. grade dog and all.